I love Jones when he plays like 2:08 of this vid. Problem is he has a lot of bad moments too. Stop forcing shots and trying to do too much and I think he can be successful In his role.
Stop!
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I think ZTF should start his own game thread (in addition to the official Rulzzz one). Then everyone who wants to enjoy his dazzling intellect and other-worldly coaching acumen can post there. And those of us who don't wish to partake can simply populate the Rulzzz thread.
I don't pretend to know more than the coaching staff but love the false hyperbole coming from the Defenders. What I have stated is that there is clear empirical evidence that Bob is a substandard player and that King is/would be a much better option. Given Bob's difficulties is perplexing and inexcusable for the staff not to try King at the 5. If it works as well as I suspect it would, that is a HUGE swing in productive minutes. We are talking about 2-3 (potential) close game wins.
I stand behind that assessment as well as the assertion the staff has bungled this part of the rotation. Obviously the staff has done a wonderful job crafting the team, getting players to buy in, coaxing maximal effort, instilling a tough brand of defense, and getting the guys to play as a team. That doesn't mean their above reproach for making decisions, and repeatedly, that really aren't defensible.
Talking about the team is what the message board is for. Both good and bad.
When you say the coaching staff "isn't paying attention" or "has bungled" things, you actually are pretending to know more than the staff.
You've dug your hole deep enough. I suggest you drop the shovel.
You've dug your hole deep enough. I suggest you drop the shovel.
Ward did well against Texas and took some of Bob's minutes when it became apparent Bob was a liability on the defensive end against the UT bigs.
That is what sort of made me scratch my head in the Tech game.
Having Ward take some of Bob's minutes worked against UT. Maybe should have tried in the Tech game.
If not maybe a little more of King. He played only 16 minutes, had 7 rebounds and 2 points. While Bob played 19 minutes, had 3 rebounds and 4 points.
Don't know if anything would have worked in Lubbock on that night however.
I have few problems with the way Jones place on defense. Sometimes he comes too far out of the post to try and double team and gives up a dunk, but at least he isn't a hack master like last year. My problem with Jones is that when someone feeds him in the post he is going to shoot and most likely miss horribly. Now I have not watched every minute of every game, but so far this year I have seen him throw the ball out of the post twice. He has tried to force shots up against double and triple teams. His turnover rate has to be the highest on the team. I have no doubt that he does a great job of blocking out, and he hustles like crazy, but King and Shoon give a lot more potential to score without turning the ball over. When he gets the ball 8-10 feet from the basket and tries to work his way in it is comical.
I'm calling complete BS on the first bolded point.
And the second bolded point is why you are arrogant, despite any protests to the the contrary.
Who are you to accuse this staff of anything that is inexcusable at this point in the season? With just over half of the conference schedule completed we are alone in 2nd place in the best conference in the country, with a double digit home win over the first place team. Our three conference losses are by a combined 7 points and all happened on the road. We have at least 6 (maybe 7 now after yesterday?) Quad 1 wins, which has to be close to the most such wins in the country. Yesterday was our 4th win over a Top 10 team, which is a new record in program history. Yes, @ Texas Tech was a debacle, but the job this staff has done with this roster is frankly amazing, and I am beyond exhausted with you feeling like everyone has to read your armchair analysis after every single f*cking game.
And yes; talking about the team is what the message board is, both good and bad. And it is your right to give us all an in-depth assessment on why playing Tre King and Osun together for 40 minutes would lead us to a national championship. It is also our right to call you out for being so pretentious and over the top for your presumed knowledge.
Serious question... What is his +/- rating when he is on the court. Bob at times struggles to finish at the rim but we would really kind of be screwed without him. Osunni would probably foul out of the majority of the games midway through the second half without someone to replace him periodically.
Any critique of Rob Jones’ contributions to Cyclone basketball this year needs to factor his screens on offense and quick hands on defense. He works constantly to help free up teammates and on defense frustrates opponents‘ moves with his hands and physicality. As someone else mentioned, Coach Otz wants the Cyclones to make the game one of our opponents most physical outings, and that is a major contributing factor to opponents’ usual low shooting percentages against the ’Clones.
For the record, I have heard TJ state, he expects his bigs to block out to allow Lipsey, Grill, Gabe ect to get rebounds. His numbers for rebounding may be lower than expectation for a big in a TYPICAL man defense....... but Rob blocks out every time and TJ gives him a lot of credit for the rebounds others are grabbing.
I respect all of you, some more than others, but TJ knows what he’s doing! I don’t think anyone here made millions or had top-ten recruiting classes coaching basketball. Either you trust him or you don’t! Doesn’t matter anyway.
OK, explain to me how Homan shot 43% in his senior year and 44% for his career at ISU. He was not a stretch 5 so all of his shots were point blank. Homan‘s last game was his best game at ISU and most people only remember his best game at ISU. He was a tough rebounder and defender but he was not a good offensive player. He averaged 13 points per game in his senior year but he attempted about 12 shots a game and only made 43%. He was a good player overall but offense was not his forte
The Kansas game, even in a dominating effort, might be my biggest gripe with playing time. King is a great match up with KUs lack of bigs and exploited it but still only got his typical 15 minutes. All while Jones was missing layups. Bob seems like a great dude but he's not a Big 12 caliber player plain and simple. That's not a slight, most people aren't.
It’s not a stat that’s seems to be tracked in college basketball but I have to imagine it’s negative
Yes, and get rid of the negative posts about T.J. Otzelburger. He is a wonderful person and an awesome coach! ️
