Steve Prohm

[VeloClone]

Maury John was well before my time, but I know who he is. If you took Drake to the Final Four, you're a good coach.

Wonder what things would look like for us if he hadn't developed cancer.

And took a John Wooden/Lew Alcindor UCLA team to the wire in the final four semifinal game.

He took an ISU team that had gone 5-21 the previous season to a 12-14 record. The next year it was 16-10. Yes, who knows how good it could have gotten for Iowa State if he had remained healthy.

 

[Cyched]

Nice "I told you so" CJ going on in here right now.

Why are people so happy when they are pissed off...?

Do we live such sanitized, safe, anodyne lives nowadays that our caveman bloodlust needs college sports to get the "burn the witch!" feelings out of us?

You all are acting like Prohm took your wife to church.

Probably just asked their wives if he could take it hard to the hole. Gotta watch out for those basketball coaches..

 

[madguy30]

Here is a list of coaches that have a worse win percentage than Steve Prohm since I've been alive:
Glen Anderson
Maury John
Ken Tricky
Lynn Nance
Johnny Orr - yes he turned around what Nance left him, but his last year here was a clunker
Wayne Morgan
Greg McDermott

So for all of you wanting Prohm's head, remember where we were. This narrative is getting old. Good head coaches aren't falling out of sky right now. Be careful of what you wish for.

if Fred recommended him, he's good enough for me. It's hard following our most successful coach in terms of winning percentage.

Didn't Johnny's last year get held back by Loren Meyer getting hit by a train?

He left a very nice group of seniors for Tim Floyd to work with.

 

[ISUChippewa]

Didn't Johnny's last year get held back by Loren Meyer getting hit by a train?

He left a very nice group of seniors for Tim Floyd to work with.

Yeah, in large part it did.

Meyer was playing like a future lottery pick up until that moment. I think he was averaging 20/10 at the least and was absolutely dominant.

He still played well enough his senior season to be a 1st round draft pick and stuck around in the league for a few years (IIRC), but I wonder how much that accident (which he may have been lucky to survive) might have held him back.

 

[Cyched]

Didn't Johnny's last year get held back by Loren Meyer getting hit by a train?

He left a very nice group of seniors for Tim Floyd to work with.

And Fred said the timing of his departure was to do something similar for the next guy like Johnny did.

A quick Google search tells me Floyd went 23-11, 6-8 Big 8 with that senior class of Hoiberg, Meyer and Julo. Wonder how CF would've taken that.

 

[madguy30]

And Fred said the timing of his departure was to do something similar for the next guy like Johnny did.

A quick Google search tells me Floyd went 23-11, 6-8 Big 8 with that senior class of Hoiberg, Meyer and Julo. Wonder how CF would've taken that.

The 96-97 team, which is probably close to Top 5 at ISU and at least Top 10, lost to Marquette at home, got drilled by KU in the B12 tourney semis, and lost 3 of its last 4 regular season games including to Nebraska at magical Hilton.

 

[Cyched]

The 96-97 team, which is probably close to Top 5 at ISU and at least Top 10, lost to Marquette at home, got drilled by KU in the B12 tourney semis, and lost 3 of its last 4 regular season games including to Nebraska at magical Hilton.

I've posted this before, but Prohm's first four years went remarkably similar to Floyd's tenure. Almost eerily.





Obviously not an apples to apples comparison (different coaches, different players, different era), but I found it fascinating. Floyd had a terrible last year in 97-98, but was recruiting very well. And I do have my reservations about Prohm, especially after Tuesday's debacle, but still found it interesting.

 

[isu83]

I can't believe people still cant come to terms that last year's team was absolutely stacked. Last year and the 14-15 Hoiberg teams were easily the most talented since the two Eustachy Big 12 champion teams.

Not only did it have 2 of the top 3 recruits in school history on the same team, but they had a guy who led the Big 12 in scoring, and also had a guy who almost averaged a double-double the previous year playing sparingly off the bench. Thats not even mentioning a lottery pick and Conditt who looks to have a promising career were on the team. They even had a guy who started the year before and had heavy Big 12 experience that couldnt get into a game.

9-9 and losing 6 out of the last 8 with that team was absolutely pathetic.

Fizer wasn’t all that great his freshman year.

 

[ISUChippewa]

And Fred said the timing of his departure was to do something similar for the next guy like Johnny did.

A quick Google search tells me Floyd went 23-11, 6-8 Big 8 with that senior class of Hoiberg, Meyer and Julo. Wonder how CF would've taken that.

I remember being extremely disappointed that team lost to OSU on Senior Night in Hilton.

 

[madguy30]

I've posted this before, but Prohm's first four years went remarkably similar to Floyd's tenure. Almost eerily.

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Obviously not an apples to apples comparison (different coaches, different players, different era), but I found it fascinating. Floyd had a terrible last year in 97-98, but was recruiting very well. And I do have my reservations about Prohm, especially after Tuesday's debacle, but still found it interesting.

Floyd was the first coach to get to three consecutive NCAA tourneys, which was never done again until Prohm kept a streak of 4 going to 6, so that became a 'norm' somehow.

That said with Floyd you knew what you were getting, including with his own players.

Prohm, still not sure.

 

[madguy30]

Fizer wasn’t all that great his freshman year.

15 points/game is pretty good I'd say.

Was total turnover from Cato and Co. though.

 

[Cyched]

Floyd was the first coach to get to three consecutive NCAA tourneys, which was never done again until Prohm kept a streak of 4 going to 6, so that became a 'norm' somehow.

That said with Floyd you knew what you were getting, including with his own players.

Prohm, still not sure.

No doubt, Floyd's teams had an identity. Prohm creates great PG play, but not much of a team identity. The question is if we'll give him the opportunity to prove otherwise to us.

 

[MilehighClone]

Took the +41/2 for tomorrow’s game at TCU. No need to wish me luck....

 

[madguy30]

No doubt, Floyd's teams had an identity. Prohm creates great PG play, but not much of a team identity. The question is if we'll give him the opportunity to prove otherwise to us.

One question is how many opportunities does he get? How many years sans tourney need to happen?

 

[Cyched]

One question is how many opportunities does he get? How many years sans tourney need to happen?

I don't think he'll be let go after this year. 2 in a row, and I think 2021 will be the decision point.

 

[superiorcyclone]

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Fire CSP. Change could be worse but the Cyclones need a different coach.

 

[Cloned4Life]

I'm sorry but this crap is stupid. It’s the mentality that lead to us sucking for so long in football. Not believing that better is possible is BS to paraphrase Campbell. Campbell did come here because of the fit and us continuing to support the football team when we were bad. That doesn’t mean that we have to accept bad coaches when it’s clear they aren’t going to be successful.

There seems to be this idea that everyone who is done with Prohm is reacting to one game or even one season. This is a culmination of 5 seasons for some people. We have 5 years to look at at least. The issue is that yeas we will excuse a bad year or so but you also have to earn the buy in too. Prohm has never exceeded expectations. We are 5 years in and nobody has any idea what the identity of the program is. This isn’t an overreaction to the worst upset in college basketball.

I will continue to support the team. I hope they win the rest of their games. I hope Prohm figures it out and becomes the best coach ever. I like him but I won’t let the fact that he is like able cloud my evaluation.

This post x1000.

Couldn’t have said it any better. Actually kind of sports-depressing that several posters apparently dislike/disagree with it.

 

[Cloned4Life]

Nice "I told you so" CJ going on in here right now.

Why are people so happy when they are pissed off...?

Do we live such sanitized, safe, anodyne lives nowadays that our caveman bloodlust needs college sports to get the "burn the witch!" feelings out of us?

You all are acting like Prohm took your wife to church.

lol, what?

 

[clones8232]

This place is a cesspool

 

[AuH2O]

Checking back in after some time off from this thread. Has it been decided which coach is better? Is it the guy that lost to historically bad FAMU and got housed by Iowa at home or the guy that lost to Southern Utah, North Dakota and got housed by UC Riverside and Rutgers?