Doesn’t that describe isu? Except the good team part.A lottery pick plus a pack of grown men = a good team.
Doesn’t that describe isu? Except the good team part.
We had every bit as much talent as those teams. Again the major factor that set us 5 games apart in the Big 12 was coaching.Culver, Moretti, Owens, and Mooney almost won a national title.
A lottery pick plus a pack of grown men = a good team.
Wade and Barry Brown were some baddddd dudes, too.
Kansas still had Lawson, Doston, and (briefly) Azubuike, too.
One of the most talented teams in the conference? Sure.
Unquestionable the most? Probably not.
I think this is part of it. It was a successful year by a broad general history but it was an unsuccessful year when the context of that team is added. Plenty will probably disagree with this but the last year that I genuinely enjoyed watching was the 13-14 year. We’ve had a bunch of success since then but since that team we’ve always had some sort of issues. We had the UAB year. We had Georges senior year where it should have been the best year ever and never fully materialized yo those levels. We had Monte’s senior year which was probably the closest we’ve come since then. Then you had the awful year in 17-18. Last year was what it was and now we have this year.What I will say is, even though last year was a success by any measure in my opinion, it was still a frustrating season. Maybe that means we've gotten spoiled at that might be part of it. But that team wasn't particularly fun to watch at many points, especially at home, and a lot of people on here make that long, cold walk across the Hilton parking lot families in tow. And those home losses leave a bitter taste in the mouth.
Culver, Moretti, Owens, and Mooney almost won a national title.
A lottery pick plus a pack of grown men = a good team.
Wade and Barry Brown were some baddddd dudes, too.
Kansas still had Lawson, Doston, and (briefly) Azubuike, too.
One of the most talented teams in the conference? Sure.
Unquestionable the most? Probably not.
Look no further than the 2019 class. Two players realized they weren't cut out for the Big 12 before stepping foot on the court. Massive misses. And the jury is still out on the other two but they hopefully at least have some upside.We can question the recruiting some, too.
He's good at getting some talented players, but he's not good at assembling a team with complementary parts.
Better odds macloney is.
Either way, these guys need to step their game up. Cat defended Prohm more than these guys have combined.
2 5th year seniors, a 4th year jr, 2 top 50 recruits, one that avg 18 a night as a true frosh, Tyrese Haliburton, Cam Lard 3rd year soph (avg 12/8 as a frosh)....no argument that this team wasn't as talented as those teams. Never said we were unquestionably the best just, not a leap to say we were as if/not more talented. Those teams finished ahead of us because they were better coached.
Even in the big 12 tourney run that's supposed to make us forget the rest of the season was a bummer, we only played against 3 of those guys you listed. Two of those wins came against teams without their best player. More evidence that Prohm is fine, as long as he's got talent that is head and shoulders above everyone else.
They got upset in the first round of the tourney, but had a better overall season and had way fewer head scratching losses. Finished 2nd in the conference instead of 5th. Had Prohm gone 12-6 last year it would have looked much better.What is your excuse for this team...?
Morris -- NBA
Mitrou-Long -- NBA
Hogue -- good overseas player
Niang -- NBA
McKay -- good overseas player
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Thomas -- NBA
Dejean-Jones -- NBA
Nader -- NBA
+ Custer, who never played, but did lead a team to the Final Four a few years later
...not winning the conference regular season and tapping out in the first round?
What is your excuse for this team...?
Morris -- NBA
Mitrou-Long -- NBA
Hogue -- good overseas player
Niang -- NBA
McKay -- good overseas player
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Thomas -- NBA
Dejean-Jones -- NBA
Nader -- NBA
+ Custer, who never played, but did lead a team to the Final Four a few years later
...not winning the conference regular season and tapping out in the first round?
That team was just noticeably better than last years is all.Um I'm pretty sure that team went undefeated and never lost a game.....At least that is what some lead me to believe. Greatest team ever assembled, better than the fab 5 and the 1990 UNLV running rebels.
What is your excuse for this team...?
Morris -- NBA
Mitrou-Long -- NBA
Hogue -- good overseas player
Niang -- NBA
McKay -- good overseas player
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Thomas -- NBA
Dejean-Jones -- NBA
Nader -- NBA
+ Custer, who never played, but did lead a team to the Final Four a few years later
...not winning the conference regular season and tapping out in the first round?
I think we can agree that both Fred and Prohm have probably underachieved relative to the talent they've had at their disposals. Criticizing Prohm is not necessarily an endorsement of Fred.
That's a long list of terrible coaches. Orr wasn't bad, but I think he was a bit overrated by a lot on here as well. Just wait and see what happens to Prohms record after he goes 11-20 this year.Here is a list of coaches that have a worse win percentage than Steve Prohm since I've been alive:
Glen Anderson
Maury John
Ken Tricky
Lynn Nance
Johnny Orr - yes he turned around what Nance left him, but his last year here was a clunker
Wayne Morgan
Greg McDermott
So for all of you wanting Prohm's head, remember where we were. This narrative is getting old. Good head coaches aren't falling out of sky right now. Be careful of what you wish for.
if Fred recommended him, he's good enough for me. It's hard following our most successful coach in terms of winning percentage.
What is your excuse for this team...?
Morris -- NBA
Mitrou-Long -- NBA
Hogue -- good overseas player
Niang -- NBA
McKay -- good overseas player
---
Thomas -- NBA
Dejean-Jones -- NBA
Nader -- NBA
+ Custer, who never played, but did lead a team to the Final Four a few years later
...not winning the conference regular season and tapping out in the first round?
Look no further than the 2019 class. Two players realized they weren't cut out for the Big 12 before stepping foot on the court. Massive misses. And the jury is still out on the other two but they hopefully at least have some upside.