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But that's kind of why SOS is a pretty relevant thing in CFB and for the CFB playoff, it doesn't just factor in the W's and L's of the teams you play against.
"tied with Iowa late in the fourth quarter."
We were close at the end of games with at least 4 teams that had a combination of 1 loss after something like nine weeks into the season.
SOS does matter would you rather have iowa's schedule or ours? I would love iowas schedule we would go bowling most years.
6-7 wins were attainable last year and ISU played/coached about 1 complete game all year (Texas).
If CMC gets to a bowl game this year without any gimmicks/fluky 8 opponent TO-type of games it will be proof that you don't need to be incredible to win a few games for this schedule.
IMO it would be more appropriate to make issue if ISU were good, but the schedule kept them from going undefeated or something because of many decent teams strung together and a few losses being likely, like what happens in basketball.
If CMC gets to a bowl game this year without any gimmicks/fluky 8 opponent TO-type of games it will be proof that you don't need to be incredible to win a few games for this schedule.
IMO it would be more appropriate to make issue if ISU were good, but the schedule kept them from going undefeated or something because of many decent teams strung together and a few losses being likely, like what happens in basketball.
Iowa was considered for the longest time last season to have a pretty good SOS because they teams they had beaten early on had good W/L. Wisky didn't beat an FBS team with a winning record until their bowl game right? Pitt was in a similar boat with their opponents. If you looked at any type of stats at all Iowa played teams with incredibly poor offenses. I think their average opponent ended up being around 80th in the country for offense. You can beat poor teams that beat poor teams and look like you have a good SOS...a true SOS does not matter. Give me 3 MAC schools in non-con and avoiding Baylor, TCU and OU if it were somehow possible.
Before Campbell arrived I would of loved that if you would of let me pick the three MAC schools. You may not of been that happy.
Before Campbell arrived I would of loved that if you would of let me pick the three MAC schools. You may not of been that happy.
I realize the MAC doesn't get a lot of respect around here and it bugs you but I can guarantee 1 thing. Over a period of 50 years we would beat any of those MAC schools at least twice. I'm 51 and we have beaten Oklahoma exactly once in my lifetime. OK technically we have only played 44 times in that period and there was one tie, so I guess it isn't quite as bad as I made it sound.
You sure showed him. Now if you will excuse me I'm going to go take a bottle of Tylenol and lie down for a long nap.
This years team should have been bowling. I didn't guarantee they would the two previous years.
Ranking this year's schedules based solely on last year's Ws and Ls provides a quick data point. That is how the NCAA does it. I will take more interest in Phil Steele's ranking, which considers additional factors, when they come out next month.
For the coming season, a coach can only have the serenity to accept that which he cannot change. For future season's, an expanded Big 12 with 8 conference games would improve bowl outlooks. Dropping Iowa would too, but the social cost is probably too high. That stuff is the realm of President's and A.D.s, though, whereas the coach has to play the hand he is dealt.
For now, maybe we're like Gilligan and the Skipper. Sure we can go to the beach and scratch out an S.O.S., but it will only wash away in the next high tide. For now, those grant of rights payout checks aren't bouncing, so maybe we need to appreciate our world class selection of color coordinated coconuts:
You really don't understand the numbers and probability behind strength of schedule. If you did, you wouldn't have made those comments. Who you play matters. Just ask any 8 man team in the state of Iowa. You know those teams that couldnt win at all in 11 man against same size schools.
The local jh team is still undefeated. It's a good thing who you play doesn't matter. National champs!
I didn't read the criteria for how he came up with these numbers, but my guess is the big 12 just like last year will have many more teams in the top 25 when the actual numbers come out.
On the surface some odd teams appearto be much higher in Phils list. Phil tends to make some conferences look better than what the actual numbers turn out to be for them.
On the surface some odd teams appearto be much higher in Phils list. Phil tends to make some conferences look better than what the actual numbers turn out to be for them.
The 8 man comparison is flawed. Schools don't typically drop to 8 man to win more games. It happens because of low numbers of players more often than not.
I coached 11 man my first year out of college and we won 3 games. The next year we dropped to 8 man BC we had declining enrollment and figured on having about 30 kids playing 9 through 12. It's hard to play and practice with 30 kids a JV and Varsity schedule in 11 man. Injuries increase in practice because underclassmen who aren't ready end up having to go against seniors and get smashed.
Couple of years later I switched schools and coached 11 man again. Another small school and at the end of the year we only had 20 healthy bodies (8 season ending injuries from concussions, broken ankle, and a dislocated elbow.) Dropped to 8 man the next year (I had moved on).
To say that schools drop to 8 man to win is ignorant. This isn't college. Money doesn't drive it at small Iowa schools. student well being is a driving factor.
I never said who you play doesn't matter. My point is that we are going to play the other teams in the conference, along with Iowa. That's our reality. So rather than complain about it, let's accept it. At some point, we may be faced with the "8-man" example in the form of moving to to the AAC or Mountain West. Assume you think that will be great when we are then winning 8+ games every year?
If we were a better team to the point of simply being able to play with the middle of our conference, we would win 6-8 games per year and we would never talk about SOS.
Ignorant? Please. The reason most of them drop is to win. Most 8 man teams can field two 11 man teams and often have similar numbers to 11 man teams in class A.
You do realize 11 man teams in class A don't have many more kids than the 8 man teams especially by beds numbers which are both boys and girls!
I've watched 8 man teams run on the field with over 40 players and a couple overy 50. And bs on you can't play 11 man football with 30 kids.
Yes, if you are terrible and your kids have no tradition and ability to compete you are going to get beat up during the year in 11 man football.
That just proves my point. You drop to compete and win games and not to field teams. Strength of schedule matters. Ask any 8 man team barely making the beds cutoff.
The schools losing in 8 man and that have tiny enrollments may play 8 man now to field a team but they didn't go to 8 man for that reason.
It's a joke to suggest otherwise.
