I started this thread with the hopes we’d have a comparative analysis of Bob Jones and Jared Homan and you fools fell right into it!
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Gotta be honest I love what I've seen from Watson the last few games.
He plays good defense for a freshman and is a tough rebounder.
43% from the FT line is awful. 43% FG isn't great but not as bad as it seems.
For a guard or stretch 4, 43% is not bad. For a center, 43% is bad. Jone is an awful FT shooter but he is a decent around the basket.
Rob has struggled the past few games, but he still has a role on this team. He's the only post with the body type that can bang around on the inside with guys like Lampkin. I thought Ward played well at the 5 in relief of Osun; he might be a better option at the 5 when Osun is on the bench against more athletic teams.
I like what Jones adds to the team and have no desire to trash him. He gives a ton of effort which we've seen work to his favor and his detriment at times. You can tell that Green has greatly improved Bob's footwork since last year. I think he's a player that you maximize his minutes when he's hot and manage his minutes when he's not.
Pulling Homan into this comparison was odd, though. Homan averaged 11 pts and 6 boards as a junior and 13.6 and 8.7 as a senior (which is not far from double/double territory). He wasn't perfect, but trying to stand up for Jones while bringing down a popular home-grown player that had a good career seems like a strange way to prove your point.
It's Rob. It was said in an article or on a podcast(Williams and Blum probably?) but he prefers Rob and isn't a fan of Bob.
Jared Homan is the only post that I can ever remember giving up a three pointer between his two shots of a two shot foul.
Turrible.
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If you extrapolate Jones’ number to 36 minutes/game, he will average 13.2 points and 7.6 rebounds per game. Where were all these people who trash Jones at every opportunity when other ISU big men were missing more bunnies than Jones?
Defensively he was better on the rotations. Rob has he's benefits. He just needs to limit his shots and kick out.
It looks like the masses are finally coming around to the fact that Robert Jones is a minutes eater and is largely overmatched by quicker, elite teams.
To a degree I think it was already perplexing how many minutes Jones was getting considering he's had more horrible conference games (4) than decent ones. Kalscheur is arguably our best player right now and needs to be on the floor as much as possible. Lipsey is our only PG, also an invaluable player, so minutes won't come from him on personnel shifts. Osun was already being taken out prematurely (on the occasions he wasn't in foul trouble) and should be on the floor as much as possible. Grill is one of our leading minute getters and Holmes has been playing fantastic of late, being much more adept at picking his spots without forcing the action.
I really think Kunc should be coming off the bench and I think one could argue he should come in behind King, who I think is more versatile and a much better defender. Basically I think the bulk of the minutes should come from Jones and Watson, with Kunc's minutes being partially dictated by the matchup.
IMO Kunc's role and minutes were much more important last year on a team that consistently struggled to shoot the ball and rebound. He could hit an occasional 3, has a nice mid range jumper, and plays hard enough to be an adequate to good rebounder. This year we are more consistent as a team in every facet and I see 6 guys being more integral to the team's aspirations than him at the moment. I really think he should be a 15ish minute per game guy off the bench, who plays more when foul trouble dictates and when we need shooters/FT shooters at the end of games.
If Kunc comes back as a starter TJ is making a big mistake.
To a degree I think it was already perplexing how many minutes Jones was getting considering he's had more horrible conference games (4) than decent ones. Kalscheur is arguably our best player right now and needs to be on the floor as much as possible. Lipsey is our only PG, also an invaluable player, so minutes won't come from him on personnel shifts. Osun was already being taken out prematurely (on the occasions he wasn't in foul trouble) and should be on the floor as much as possible. Grill is one of our leading minute getters and Holmes has been playing fantastic of late, being much more adept at picking his spots without forcing the action.
I really think Kunc should be coming off the bench and I think one could argue he should come in behind King, who I think is more versatile and a much better defender. Basically I think the bulk of the minutes should come from Jones and Watson, with Kunc's minutes being partially dictated by the matchup.
IMO Kunc's role and minutes were much more important last year on a team that consistently struggled to shoot the ball and rebound. He could hit an occasional 3, has a nice mid range jumper, and plays hard enough to be an adequate to good rebounder. This year we are more consistent as a team in every facet and I see 6 guys being more integral to the team's aspirations than him at the moment. I really think he should be a 15ish minute per game guy off the bench, who plays more when foul trouble dictates and when we need shooters/FT shooters at the end of games.
If Kunc comes back as a starter TJ is making a big mistake.
So essentially what you’re saying is that you don’t agree with the rotations that have netted us 14-3 and 5-1 in conference? Lol
iSU will need someone at PG besides Lipsey and Holmes. Can Watson do this? IMO Gabe and Grill are a no . Eli is not up to task yet. Osun is great at the 5, but has no stamina. Someone has to cover this position. Unfortunately, Rob is the tallest and toughest option. He is also the worst 2 point shooter and FT shooter in about 10 years. King is improving. I think the offense has progressed where they don’t need Jazz as a high post passer/pick setter and he doesn’t drive well or create his own shots. He might actually fit better as a reserve utilizing a full court press or half court trap. I think more rotations /more energy might be the answer. Right now everyone has almost the same 3pt% - Grill38, Gabe37, Holmes37, Osun37, Jazz36.
I really like Jones and he's definitely the most improved player on the team. That being said he's been downright awful the last 2 games on both ends.
When he's struggling he needs to learn to kick it back out. He wasn't even close on alot of shots against Kansas and I think was 0-9. We won't win many games if he's taking that many shots per game.
When he's struggling he needs to learn to kick it back out. He wasn't even close on alot of shots against Kansas and I think was 0-9. We won't win many games if he's taking that many shots per game.
