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LLCoolCY

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Good lord, you're a jagoff. I was just saying from his one picture he looked a lot older than a high schooler. Am I saying I don't want Long on the team? Not at all. He looks like he can ball and he's our best option at this point that's interested in us (maybe Greek 2.0, but nobody has a darn idea about him). Get over it. We cheer for the same team. You're pretty negative about a lot of things but I don't go around constantly bringing it up.

Back to the transfer question: it's easy to say you plan on getting transfers but whether or not Prohm can actually land Big 12 level transfers remains to be seen. I still think there is a kid or two of high calibur play that ISU will be in the mix for that's a HS senior now outside of Long, so I don't understand why so many people want us to just stop chasing after HS recruits and bank it for transfers that may or may not be there at the middle of the season. People wanted to transfer to ISU because of Fred and that's why we landed guys like Kane, McKat, Burton, Anderson, White, Babb (x2), that Southern Illinois transfer thay never really panned out after high school, and BDJ. Besides, if the transfer market looks weak or there are no Big 12 ready players out there then it does no good.

I don't think the staff has ruled out going after HS players at this point if there is mutual interest but, in reality there isn't a lot of top HS talent available this late. I think I read somewhere there only around 40 top 100 players left uncommitted. Most of those have been recruited for years by coaches and already have a top 5 list. With the staff coming together late in this years recruiting process it was going to be difficult for the staff to get relationships started and land commitments for last remaining 2016 top high school players let alone work their way onto a list in October.

Prohm when hired he stated was going to use all resources available to get players to ISU High School, Junior College and Transfers. I really only see the staff getting involved with late de-committed players out of the 2016 class (ala S. Carter) or Transfers to fill the last 3 (or 2 if Long commits) schollys for needs in 2016 and 2017. These type of players will be starting their recruitment pretty much from scratch thus, the staff will be on a level playing field.
As for if the staff will be able to recruit Big 12 transfers question that well have to see, but I see no reason to doubt Prohm at this point. Remember CFH went into his first season with just as many questions about his recruiting strategy and made it work. TJ was part of the staff thus, is familiar with the blue print on how to get B12 quality transfers to Ames.
 

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Good lord, you're a jagoff. I was just saying from his one picture he looked a lot older than a high schooler. Am I saying I don't want Long on the team? Not at all. He looks like he can ball and he's our best option at this point that's interested in us (maybe Greek 2.0, but nobody has a darn idea about him). Get over it. We cheer for the same team. You're pretty negative about a lot of things but I don't go around constantly bringing it up.

Back to the transfer question: it's easy to say you plan on getting transfers but whether or not Prohm can actually land Big 12 level transfers remains to be seen. I still think there is a kid or two of high calibur play that ISU will be in the mix for that's a HS senior now outside of Long, so I don't understand why so many people want us to just stop chasing after HS recruits and bank it for transfers that may or may not be there at the middle of the season. People wanted to transfer to ISU because of Fred and that's why we landed guys like Kane, McKat, Burton, Anderson, White, Babb (x2), that Southern Illinois transfer thay never really panned out after high school, and BDJ. Besides, if the transfer market looks weak or there are no Big 12 ready players out there then it does no good.

So hasty to one of the most reliable and respectful people on cyclonefanatic.com. chill
 

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How come so many people are expecting a couple of transfers? Hoiberg is gone so the "Transfer U" name is gone as well. Is Prohm known for chasing after transfers as hard as Hoiberg did?

Prohm has said he wants to use the same formula, some HS, some JUCO, some transfers. And we are still known as transfer U. I'd put money on we get 1 to 2 decent transfers. He's followed what he has preached so far, 2 HS, 2 Juco, now 2 transfers?

Edit: and hell yes there will be good transfers available. It's known as the second recruiting season here at ISU. The trend is not going to stop. There will be very good gets available some mid year, many more after the season.
 
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Prohm has said he wants to use the same formula, some HS, some JUCO, some transfers. And we are still known as transfer U. I'd put money on we get 1 to 2 decent transfers. He's followed what he has preached so far, 2 HS, 2 Juco, now 2 transfers?

Edit: and hell yes there will be good transfers available. It's known as the second recruiting season here at ISU. The trend is not going to stop. There will be very good gets available some mid year, many more after the season.
I hope you're right about there being good transfers. There almost always is, but if its a dry year, having two open schollies will hurt with our depth.
 

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I hope you're right about there being good transfers. There almost always is, but if its a dry year, having two open schollies will hurt with our depth.

There were over 700 transfers last year and will keep growing, I trust the staff will find 2 or 3 that can contribute. It is only September let's enjoy this this year and worry more about depth late next summer.
 

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Good lord, you're a jagoff. I was just saying from his one picture he looked a lot older than a high schooler. Am I saying I don't want Long on the team? Not at all. He looks like he can ball and he's our best option at this point that's interested in us (maybe Greek 2.0, but nobody has a darn idea about him). Get over it. We cheer for the same team. You're pretty negative about a lot of things but I don't go around constantly bringing it up.

Back to the transfer question: it's easy to say you plan on getting transfers but whether or not Prohm can actually land Big 12 level transfers remains to be seen. I still think there is a kid or two of high calibur play that ISU will be in the mix for that's a HS senior now outside of Long, so I don't understand why so many people want us to just stop chasing after HS recruits and bank it for transfers that may or may not be there at the middle of the season. People wanted to transfer to ISU because of Fred and that's why we landed guys like Kane, McKat, Burton, Anderson, White, Babb (x2), that Southern Illinois transfer thay never really panned out after high school, and BDJ. Besides, if the transfer market looks weak or there are no Big 12 ready players out there then it does no good.

What, can't take a joke? Didn't even call you a name.
 

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All this last scholly talk got me thinking about Jakolby Long with his visit upcoming.

Looking at some highlight videos (taken with grain of salt) I think he could be a nice fit on Prohm's ISU roster.

1) Solid well developed Big 12 body, 6'4" with and bonus left handed shooter. Definitely has athleticism as shown by multiple dunks.
2) Quick shot with some good range. Looks like he is playing under control, uses fakes to get players out of position to create space. Ablity to slow down on the fast break to create scoring lanes.
3) Quality offers, good summer and other quality coaches have taken notice that he can develop into a starting CG at the P5 level.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Jakolby-Long-164219

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsE2coj2YOs
 

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I hope you're right about there being good transfers. There almost always is, but if its a dry year, having two open schollies will hurt with our depth.

When was the last time we had every scholarship player give meaningful minutes? Filling a schollie is useless if its not a position of need. Besides, leaving at least one open would help balance out our scholarships between the classes, I'd guess CSP doesn't want to have to fill this many spots in one offseason if he can help it.
 

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Rankings are kind of wacky when it involves juco kids. Just give it the eye test, comparing how talented, and how coveted each recruit was, and its pretty easy to see that Jackson+Young+Malou+whoever >> Cook+Pemsl+Kreiner+Bohannon

I think rankings are wacky because juco's are more unpredictable than the top-level high school guys who play on high-level AAU teams and can be scouted and evaluated more easily. Plus they need to contribute right away to have been a "successful" recruit.

Read something but now can't find it, so recreated it myself. The following is the top 10 juco's from the 2014 class (247 Sports) and their ranking, along with how they did the following season at the school they signed at:

1. Cinmeon Bowers (4 star/96). Auburn. 30 minutes/12 points/10 rebounds
2. Kadeem Allen (4 star/93). Arizona. Red shirted/did not play.
3. Jordan Goodman (4 star/92). New Mexico. 19 minutes/13 points/6 rebounds.
4. Torian Graham (4 star/92). Houston, then Buffalo, ate marijuana at traffic stop-now ASU. Did not play LY.
5. Shane Henry (3 star/91). Va Tech. 10 minutes/2 points/3 rebounds.
6. Stephen Hurt (3 star/91). Kansas State. 13 minutes/4 points/3 rebounds.
7. Trahson Burrell (3 star/91). Memphis. 23 minutes/9 points/5 rebounds.
8. Willie Atwood (3 star/91). Arizona State. 11 minutes/3 points/2 rebounds.
9. Trey Dickerson (3 star/90). Iowa. Played minimally and left program.
10. Michael Chandler (3 star/90). Oregon. 5 minutes/2 points/1 rebound.

For perspective, Malou is a 4 star/93, ranked #2. Jackson is a 3 star/91 and ranked #7. This is a small sample, but the results are pretty consistent year-to-year.
 
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I think rankings are wacky because juco's are more unpredictable than the top-level high school guys who play on high-level AAU teams and can be scouted and evaluated more easily. Plus they need to contribute right away to have been a "successful" recruit.

Read something but now can't find it, so recreated it myself. The following is the top 10 juco's from the 2014 class (247 Sports) and their ranking, along with how they did the following season at the school they signed at:

1. Cinmeon Bowers (4 star/96). Auburn. 30 minutes/12 points/10 rebounds
2. Kadeem Allen (4 star/93). Arizona. Red shirted/did not play.
3. Jordan Goodman (4 star/92). New Mexico. 19 minutes/13 points/6 rebounds.
4. Torian Graham (4 star/92). Houston, then Buffalo, ate marijuana at traffic stop-now ASU. Did not play LY.
5. Shane Henry (3 star/91). Va Tech. 10 minutes/2 points/3 rebounds.
6. Stephen Hurt (3 star/91). Kansas State. 13 minutes/4 points/3 rebounds.
7. Trahson Burrell (3 star/91). Memphis. 23 minutes/9 points/5 rebounds.
8. Willie Atwood (3 star/91). Arizona State. 11 minutes/3 points/2 rebounds.
9. Trey Dickerson (3 star/90). Iowa. Played minimally and left program.
10. Michael Chandler (3 star/90). Oregon. 5 minutes/2 points/1 rebound.

For perspective, Malou is a 4 star/93, ranked #2. Jackson is a 3 star/91 and ranked #7. This is a small sample, but the results are pretty consistent year-to-year.

Good info, and nice work putting it together.
I forgot about Atwood. Iowa fans were begging for him and Dickerson. That would have been a classic **** up.

Basically you better know how to evaluate talent when recruiting jucos, and not just go off rankings and stats.

Iowa St has a pretty good track record of jucos, albeit under a different coach, but TJ was around for a few in the past.
Tyrus, Hogue, and we wanted McKay out of juco.
 

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Thanks for putting that together isu81. I remember really wanting Bowers here. Averaging a double/double is a tough task at a P5 school.
 

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I think rankings are wacky because juco's are more unpredictable than the top-level high school guys who play on high-level AAU teams and can be scouted and evaluated more easily. Plus they need to contribute right away to have been a "successful" recruit.

Read something but now can't find it, so recreated it myself. The following is the top 10 juco's from the 2014 class (247 Sports) and their ranking, along with how they did the following season at the school they signed at:

1. Cinmeon Bowers (4 star/96). Auburn. 30 minutes/12 points/10 rebounds
2. Kadeem Allen (4 star/93). Arizona. Red shirted/did not play.
3. Jordan Goodman (4 star/92). New Mexico. 19 minutes/13 points/6 rebounds.
4. Torian Graham (4 star/92). Houston, then Buffalo, ate marijuana at traffic stop-now ASU. Did not play LY.
5. Shane Henry (3 star/91). Va Tech. 10 minutes/2 points/3 rebounds.
6. Stephen Hurt (3 star/91). Kansas State. 13 minutes/4 points/3 rebounds.
7. Trahson Burrell (3 star/91). Memphis. 23 minutes/9 points/5 rebounds.
8. Willie Atwood (3 star/91). Arizona State. 11 minutes/3 points/2 rebounds.
9. Trey Dickerson (3 star/90). Iowa. Played minimally and left program.
10. Michael Chandler (3 star/90). Oregon. 5 minutes/2 points/1 rebound.

For perspective, Malou is a 4 star/93, ranked #2. Jackson is a 3 star/91 and ranked #7. This is a small sample, but the results are pretty consistent year-to-year.

There were some real good players in 2014. Bowers, Benjamin, Payton, Gray, etc

http://247sports.com/Season/2014-Basketball/RecruitRankings?InstitutionGroup=JuniorCollege
 

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I think rankings are wacky because juco's are more unpredictable than the top-level high school guys who play on high-level AAU teams and can be scouted and evaluated more easily. Plus they need to contribute right away to have been a "successful" recruit.

Read something but now can't find it, so recreated it myself. The following is the top 10 juco's from the 2014 class (247 Sports) and their ranking, along with how they did the following season at the school they signed at:

1. Cinmeon Bowers (4 star/96). Auburn. 30 minutes/12 points/10 rebounds
2. Kadeem Allen (4 star/93). Arizona. Red shirted/did not play.
3. Jordan Goodman (4 star/92). New Mexico. 19 minutes/13 points/6 rebounds.
4. Torian Graham (4 star/92). Houston, then Buffalo, ate marijuana at traffic stop-now ASU. Did not play LY.
5. Shane Henry (3 star/91). Va Tech. 10 minutes/2 points/3 rebounds.
6. Stephen Hurt (3 star/91). Kansas State. 13 minutes/4 points/3 rebounds.
7. Trahson Burrell (3 star/91). Memphis. 23 minutes/9 points/5 rebounds.
8. Willie Atwood (3 star/91). Arizona State. 11 minutes/3 points/2 rebounds.
9. Trey Dickerson (3 star/90). Iowa. Played minimally and left program.
10. Michael Chandler (3 star/90). Oregon. 5 minutes/2 points/1 rebound.

For perspective, Malou is a 4 star/93, ranked #2. Jackson is a 3 star/91 and ranked #7. This is a small sample, but the results are pretty consistent year-to-year.

Interesting analysis that I like to see, even if it is just one year. In this sample, things definitely dropped off after the top 3 or so. However, most even good recruits end up being role players, and role players make up the majority of any team anyway. If we can manage the pull a few stars here and there, along with some decent role players from the Juco ranks, I'd be happy. Granted, there are always a few lower level exceptions to throw in as well of course. Take Hogue and say McGee. Both were solid role players for us and I don't remember either being near the top 5 rankings. On a side note, was super excited to see Dickerson tank for Iowa, but who knows, maybe that is a cautionary tale for us on the pitfalls of Juco point guards, or maybe not. If anything, I sure as heck am not going to feel comfortable fully counting on a Juco pg to pan out, regardless of their ranking. Guess we'll find out soon enough.
 
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I'd be very surprised if Donavon Jackson doesn't pan out. Have you seen highlight clip of the kid? Impressive is an understatement!! Perhaps a diamond in the rough more like it.

Interesting analysis that I like to see, even if it is just one year. In this sample, things definitely dropped off after the top 3 or so. However, most even good recruits end up being role players, and role players make up the majority of any team anyway. If we can manage the pull a few stars here and there, along with some decent role players from the Juco ranks, I'd be happy. Granted, there are always a few lower level exceptions to throw in as well of course. Take Hogue and say McGee. Both were solid role players for us and I don't remember either being near the top 5 rankings. On a side note, was super excited to see Dickerson tank for Iowa, but who knows, maybe that is a cautionary tale for us on the pitfalls of Juco point guards, or maybe not. If anything, I sure as heck am not going to feel comfortable fully counting on a Juco pg to pan out, regardless of their ranking. Guess we'll find out soon enough.
 

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I hope you're right about there being good transfers. There almost always is, but if its a dry year, having two open schollies will hurt with our depth.

Have you paid attention to college basketball recently? It isn't a question of 'will there be good transfers?' It's how good and can we land one?