Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[FriendlySpartan]

I know a Big Ten basketball fan didn't just type this ;-)

To be fair at least your team has the quarter century, the rest of the Big Ten is getting into half century or not in any of our lives territory. Villanova as the dominant program was incredibly recent by comparison.

Yeah Indiana has been rough for way longer than I thought possible and Maryland is right there with them. Michigan has had some excellent flashes, wish beliein never left.

Purdue has been the team that has risen up but they are way too gimmicky to be a real high end threat

 

[HFCS]

Yeah Indiana has been rough for way longer than I thought possible and Maryland is right there with them. Michigan has had some excellent flashes, wish beliein never left.

Purdue has been the team that has risen up but they are way too gimmicky to be a real high end threat

Purdue is the most impossible team ever to pick in a bracket recently.

4 seed - 1st round loss
3 seed - lose in S16 but to a 15 seed
1 seed - 1st round loss
1 seed - National runner up

I mean how the **** could anybody have picked them to play to seed last year when they finally did? Even with a championship game appearance, you're still better off having picked them to be 0-4 the past 4 tournaments, it's nuts.

 

[Clonehomer]

Changing the March madness payouts instead of most of the money going to the NCAA could move the needle a little.

This is the answer. Pay out the NCAA tournament like the CFP. Then have the NCAA members equally fund the organization rather than relying on only MBB to fund it.

 

[Gonzo]

You realize if this happens Iowa will never have a chance?

Yeah, my opinions aren't driven by what I think will best position Iowa to thrive in a P2 world of college football. I don't think we will. And there are plenty of doomsday scenarios that would leave Iowa completely on the outside looking in, that could be realistic. I just think the networks and the SEC/B1G hold pretty much all the power, and I don't see a Big 12/ACC/PAC/MW alliance forcing them to give up all the power and most of the money to split things up equally. Just makes no sense.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

Purdue is the most impossible team ever to pick in a bracket recently.

4 seed - 1st round loss
3 seed - lose in S16 but to a 15 seed
1 seed - 1st round loss
1 seed - National runner up

I mean how the **** could anybody have picked them to play to seed last year when they finally did? Even with a championship game appearance, you're still better off having picked them to be 0-4 the past 4 tournaments, it's nuts.

Agreed. When their style works it is very hard to stop, when you have a hard counter to whatever giant they are rolling out then they falter hard. Painter (as you know) is also just a very rough coach when it comes to making in game adjustments. He has done well to feast on a very down big ten conference lately.

 

[Clonehomer]

Yeah, my opinions aren't driven by what I think will best position Iowa to thrive in a P2 world of college football. I don't think we will. And there are plenty of doomsday scenarios that would leave Iowa completely on the outside looking in, that could be realistic. I just think the networks and the SEC/B1G hold pretty much all the power, and I don't see a Big 12/ACC/PAC/MW alliance forcing them to give up all the power and most of the money to split things up equally. Just makes no sense.

Agree with most of this. I don’t think equal sharing is going to happen. But the goal needs to be to close the gap. Having teams with orders of magnitude difference in funding in the same division doesn’t make sense. If the G5 is getting $10m and the P2 are getting $100m, that’s just not sustainable.

I really think this comes down to whether the alliance can find a partner outside of the networks. Whether that’s from Amazon or Apple, I don’t know the true interest. But that’s what it’ll take to get true bargaining power. They need to find a home outside the networks that are backing the P2. Cause while those networks are in the camp of the P2, they’d still be in a world of hurt without the other conferences.

 

[HFCS]

This is the answer. Pay out the NCAA tournament like the CFP. Then have the NCAA members equally fund the organization rather than relying on only MBB to fund it.

I'm guessing the Big East suddenly would be looking pretty good. People forget that like the Big 12 when it only had 10 teams, they were also winning more despite fewer teams, fewer chances. Per capita the Big 12 and Big East were just light years better when accounting they had the fewest members but won the most hardware.

 

[CyCrazy]

Yeah, my opinions aren't driven by what I think will best position Iowa to thrive in a P2 world of college football. I don't think we will. And there are plenty of doomsday scenarios that would leave Iowa completely on the outside looking in, that could be realistic. I just think the networks and the SEC/B1G hold pretty much all the power, and I don't see a Big 12/ACC/PAC/MW alliance forcing them to give up all the power and most of the money to split things up equally. Just makes no sense.

Agree.

 

[cykadelic2]

Yeah, my opinions aren't driven by what I think will best position Iowa to thrive in a P2 world of college football. I don't think we will. And there are plenty of doomsday scenarios that would leave Iowa completely on the outside looking in, that could be realistic. I just think the networks and the SEC/B1G hold pretty much all the power, and I don't see a Big 12/ACC/PAC/MW alliance forcing them to give up all the power and most of the money to split things up equally. Just makes no sense.

The grass roots of a B12/ACC alliance are being formed by the Rudy/Smash & CST initiatives given B12 and ACC membership on those initiatives. While immediate PE cash infusion is necessary for B12/ACC schools in order to adequately compete with SEC/B10 in a House Settlement environment, the bigger issue that Rudy/CST are trying to address is the obvious attempt by the SEC/B10 to financially relegate and destroy the B12/ACC (JP's quote in the Athletic was they are attempting to swallow up the B12 and ACC).

For now, Presidents from the B12 and ACC are actively communicating with SEC/B10 Presidents on what Sankey/Petitti are trying to pull and they making progress given that Presidents from the SEC and B10 each conference signed a document acknowledging the threat of the Sankey/Petitti initiatives but they removed those signatures, presumably under threats from Sankey/Petitti. And it's no secret that ESPN and Fox have also been utilizing threats to prevent SEC/B10 Presidents/ADs from meeting with the Rudy and CST folks.

There is enough PR going on now from both sides (the fact that SEC/B10 engaged collusion lawyers at their recent meetings was laughable) that this ends up with probable Fed intervention in the next couple of years. As JP recently pointed out, ORSt and Wazzu destruction wasn't enough to move the intervention needle, destruction of 20-30 more ADs should move it for some type of intervention or equitable settlement prior to it.

If ESPN doesn't pick up the 2027 ACC option by the FEB 2025 notification deadline, the resulting chaos will probably trigger intervention and/or settlement sooner than later. If ESPN does pick the option, looking at 2030 to get something figured out before most of the current TV contracts expire.

 

[DGC]

I find it interesting that the Big 10 and SEC hold 8/10 teams in the top 10 in football. 6/10 in WBB. In MBB that number drops to 1/10

 

[FriendlySpartan]

I find it interesting that the Big 10 and SEC hold 8/10 teams in the top 10 in football. 6/10 in WBB. In MBB that number drops to 1/10

The coaching drop off in basketball has been aggressive. Michigan and Indiana have been lost, same for maryland and Wisconsin. Painter isn’t a good coach but has a very high floor. No one else has really risen up to fill the gap. Illinois kinda but honestly not really even them.

 

[cykadelic2]

The coaching drop off in basketball has been aggressive. Michigan and Indiana have been lost, same for maryland and Wisconsin. Painter isn’t a good coach but has a very high floor. No one else has really risen up to fill the gap. Illinois kinda but honestly not really even them.

Claiming Painter isn't a good coach is highly amusing.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

Claiming Painter isn't a good coach is highly amusing.

Well he isn’t

 

[cykadelic2]

Well he isn’t

Well, he has won 5 regular season B10 conference championships and been to the Final Four.

You got to be mentally warped to somehow conclude that he isn't a good coach based on these accomplishments.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

Well, he has won 5 regular season B10 conference championships and been to the Final Four.

You got to be warped to conclude that he isn't a good coach based on these accomplishments.

Yep he has filled a vacuum, Juwan Howard went to a final 4 and was fired a couple years later. Day is a horrible football coach but OSU has a lot of success just not the kind that matters. Similar to painter. He also has flammed out of many tournaments as a high seed.

Most of his accomplishments come from having a single player that is capable of dominating in college but isn’t good enough to go pro. Having a kaiju that is somehow never in foul trouble in a conference devoid of high skill big men gives you a massive advantage.

But if you think he’s good enjoy hanging on that island

 

[1UNI2ISU]

Mentioned above but Indiana making repeated bad hires (outside of Kelvin Sampson) has hurt more than anything. That was the blue blood that the league should have been able to rely on but they've just repeatedly kicked themselves in the groin with the decisions they've made.

The fact they've only been to 6 tournaments in the last 16 years is astoundingly awful for the resources and history they've got there.

Their middle tier has also really hurt them. Iowa, Michigan, Wisconsin, Maryland and Minnesota should all be every year tournament teams that win a game most years and go to a 2nd weekend every once in a while and none of them have done that consistently for the last decade.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

Mentioned above but Indiana making repeated bad hires (outside of Kelvin Sampson) has hurt more than anything. That was the blue blood that the league should have been able to rely on but they've just repeatedly kicked themselves in the groin with the decisions they've made.

The fact they've only been to 6 tournaments in the last 16 years is astoundingly awful for the resources and history they've got there.

Their middle tier has also really hurt them. Iowa, Michigan, Wisconsin, Maryland and Minnesota should all be every year tournament teams that win a game most years and go to a 2nd weekend every once in a while and none of them have done that consistently for the last decade.

OSU’s stupid firing of Matta also sent them into a downward spiral that they 100% shouldn’t be in.

I also always considered Iowa in the lower tier not the middle tier but with how bad it’s been that’s really splitting hairs

 

[CyCrazy]

Well he isn’t

He is but ***** the bed every year. On the other hand B10 bball has been average for at least a decade.

 

[cykadelic2]

Yep he has filled a vacuum, Juwan Howard went to a final 4 and was fired a couple years later. Day is a horrible football coach but OSU has a lot of success just not the kind that matters. Similar to painter. He also has flammed out of many tournaments as a high seed.

Most of his accomplishments come from having a single player that is capable of dominating in college but isn’t good enough to go pro. Having a kaiju that is somehow never in foul trouble in a conference devoid of high skill big men gives you a massive advantage.

But if you think he’s good enjoy hanging on that island

Very humorous try here to somehow diminish Painter's accomplishments. That second paragraph is Message Board Genius material.

 

[BooneCy]

OSU’s stupid firing of Matta also sent them into a downward spiral that they 100% shouldn’t be in.

I also always considered Iowa in the lower tier not the middle tier but with how bad it’s been that’s really splitting hairs

Now, you are just trying to butter us up. I won’t stand for it.