Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

Clonehomer

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what I mean is someone will always have a harder schedule, than someone else.

In the B1G for instance, Mich and OSU, will always be in the same pod....or be protected rivals, So those teams will always have a heavy weighted schedule, compared to others in the B1G.

Even if you did a complete randomized schedule with nothing protected, someone will always have a tougher schedule than others. It is just the nature of not playing everyone, when conferences get above the number where everyone can play everyone.

But that’s why you do divisions. You can do a full round robin in your division to determine the division champion. The big difference is to only use the division record to determine CCG teams
 

2speedy1

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But that’s why you do divisions. You can do a full round robin in your division to determine the division champion. The big difference is to only use the division record to determine CCG teams
The problem, is this would be just like the B1G East and West, or the B12 North and South.

One division will usually end up being more difficult.

No matter what you do some schools will have harder and some will have easier schedules.

You will always have that, some say pods, dont, some say protected rivalries dont, but in the end no matter what you do, you are always going to have different level of difficulties in everyones schedules.
 

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Any model that doesn't facilitate at least one home and one away game with every other team in a 4 year cycle is complete BS. And it's also a no brainer and completely doable to have ISU play in AZ or UT every season and at one of the four TX schools every season.
Why is home/road every 4 years important. Why not on a 5 year cycle for a couple teams?

I would much rather have fans able to attend more road games and establish rivals on a 2 yr home/road cycle.

All Years: KU, KSU, CU, OSU

Yr1- @ASU, BYU, @TCU, UC, @WVU
Yr2- UA, @UU, UH, @BU, UCF
Yr3- @TT, ASU, @BYU, TCU, @UC
Yr4- WVU, @UA, UU, @UH, BU
Yr5- @UCF, TT, @ASU, BYU, @TCU


Based on the above, even with 4 protected rivals, ISU plays:
  • 4 teams annually
  • 9 teams home/road on a 4 year cycle
  • 2 teams home/road on a 5 year cycle
  • Most years hosts a Texas and Utah or Arizona team
  • Most years travels to a Texas and Utah or Arizona team.
 
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Why do so many want divisions? Why not go with something similar to what the B1G had planned when it was at 16 teams before adding Oregon and Washington, every team playing every other team at least 2 times every 4 years. Seems like divisions or pods would result in exactly what the B1G was dealing with where some programs go many years without playing others.
 
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lockedon Texas tech podcast people saying Gonzaga is a done deal.
Once zags say yes, the hunt for the 18th will begin. Uconn? Nova?

How hard will winning big 12 tourney be with arz, houston, zags and Uconn or Nova be?
 
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lockedon Texas tech podcast people saying Gonzaga is a done deal.
Once zags say yes, the hunt for the 18th will begin. Uconn? Nova?

How hard will winning big 12 tourney be with arz, houston, zags and Uconn or Nova be?
Hmmm, who else is out there in Gonzaga's neighborhood.....?
 

2speedy1

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Why do so many want divisions? Why not go with something similar to what the B1G had planned when it was at 16 teams before adding Oregon and Washington, every team playing every other team at least 2 times every 4 years. Seems like divisions or pods would result in exactly what the B1G was dealing with where some programs go many years without playing others.
With 16 teams and pods, you do exactly that, play everyone twice in 4 years, and play 3 teams every year.
 

Nolaeer

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lockedon Texas tech podcast people saying Gonzaga is a done deal.
Once zags say yes, the hunt for the 18th will begin. Uconn? Nova?

How hard will winning big 12 tourney be with arz, houston, zags and Uconn or Nova be?

Hmmm, who else is out there in Gonzaga's neighborhood.....?
wont be out west. it will have to be a hoops power that moves the needle. nova, uconn--not many others out there.
 

t-noah

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Just add the Cougs and Beavers and it becomes much easier...

NW - Washington St., Oregon St., Colorado
PAROCHIAL - Baylor, BYU, TCU
SW - Arizona, Arizona St., Utah
MW - Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas St.
MID-SOUTH - Oklahoma St., Texas Tech, Houston
EAST - West Virginia, Cincinnati, UCF

Each team plays their "pod" or "group" or whatever term you want to use, each year. (2 games)
NW, PAROCHIAL and SW teams play teams from the other groups in that division every other year (3 games)
MW, MID-SOUTH and EAST teams play teams from the other groups in that division every other year (3 games)
Then the NW/PAROCHIAL/SW "division" plays 3 games against the MW/MID-SOUTH/EAST "division" on a rotating basis. Play once every 3 years and once every 6 at a given location.
8 conference games allows for 2 home and home series with other power 5 conference (one home, one away each year) and 2 home buy games. 7 home games each year.

basketball would be your group home and home, your closest "pod" home and home, and the rest once per year - 22 game schedule.
Football championship rotates between Dallas, Phoenix and Vegas
Basketball permanently in KC. Anyone that doesn't like it can F**K right off. Maybe every 5 years in Vegas. Maybe.
Why is home/road every 4 years important. Why not on a 5 year cycle for a couple teams?

I would much rather have fans able to attend more road games and establish rivals on a 2 yr home/road cycle.

All Years: KU, KSU, CU, OSU

Yr1- @ASU, BYU, @TCU, UC, @WVU
Yr2- UA, @UU, UH, @BU, UCF
Yr3- @TT, ASU, @BYU, TCU, @UC
Yr4- WVU, @UA, UU, @UH, BU
Yr5- @UCF, TT, @ASU, BYU, @TCU


Based on the above, even with 4 protected rivals, ISU plays:
  • 4 teams annually
  • 9 teams home/road on a 4 year cycle
  • 2 teams home/road on a 5 year cycle
  • Most years hosts a Texas and Utah or Arizona team
  • Most years travels to a Texas and Utah or Arizona team.
I don't follow this thread very often, just popped in briefly. Both of these sound good. I guess all of this will get sorted out fairly soon, before next school year. Good job.
 

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lockedon Texas tech podcast people saying Gonzaga is a done deal.
Once zags say yes, the hunt for the 18th will begin. Uconn? Nova?

How hard will winning big 12 tourney be with arz, houston, zags and Uconn or Nova be?
I could see UConn and Nova wanting to stay in the Big East and the Big 12 bringing Creighton
 

t-noah

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I don't feel that logic holds.

A central aspect of all conference schedules is to balance out SOS among all teams. No team is going to be able to load up playing "big guys". Nor would coaches want to. Iowa establishing 3 rivals was great for their fans- now the Big10 will create a schedule that levels their SOS compared to teams that might have 1 protected rival.
Yeah, I'd be surprised if Iowa get exactly what they want, those 3 protected rivals of their choice.
 

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With 16 teams and pods, you do exactly that, play everyone twice in 4 years, and play 3 teams every year.
So why do pods? I know Iowa will play the same 3 "rivals" every year, so it's not unlike being in a scheduling pod, but the rest of the B1G only has 2 or 1 annual rival games. What's the upside of the pods instead of just going divisionless with some protected rivals?
 

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I could see UConn and Nova wanting to stay in the Big East and the Big 12 bringing Creighton
Winner. 18,000 in the building every night. Resources aren't a question and it's easy travel for anyone plus there are no football concerns like there definitely are all UConn and at Nova to a lesser degree.
 

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So why do pods? I know Iowa will play the same 3 "rivals" every year, so it's not unlike being in a scheduling pod, but the rest of the B1G only has 2 or 1 annual rival games. What's the upside of the pods instead of just going divisionless with some protected rivals?
There aren't any. Pods/divisions make absolutely no sense for a league that is going to have to maximize their best teams playing each other.
 

2speedy1

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There aren't any. Pods/divisions make absolutely no sense for a league that is going to have to maximize their best teams playing each other.
LOL, you cant just schedule by whose the best to make money or best games etc.

Everyone will have to play everyone, at some point. I mean it is still a conference after all. And you are not going to make something like UU vs WVU a protected game even if that becomes the best teams/game. Protected games if done right, are still going to be regional, and traditional rivals, regardless of "maximizing" the best teams playing each other.

I just think for 16 teams, and maybe 20 pods work very well.

16 teams it is a very simple scheduling set up and everyone plays everyone every other year.
With 20 teams every 3 years.

I dont think protected rivalries are a bad option either. I just dont think that system is always the best, depending on how many teams in the conference and how many rivals you are protecting. etc.

There are good plans and bad ones in both systems. I do think once we go beyond 20 teams things get much harder to schedule everyone with any regularity, and may require something else.
 

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I was told there would be no Pod talk. Seriously,,,

What happens happens. IDGAF. Manifestos Unibomber like about Pods make me crazy. Some of you folks obviously have too much time on your hands.
 

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As a member of a conference with KU and KSU since 1906, it'd be a crime if we got shipped out to an eastern pod, which is why it would probably happen.
 

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I think the Zags are on hold until the ACC thing gets figured out. The ACC conference may go the way of PAC12 in 4-6 years. If that is the case, the BIG12 should keep the Zag decision on ice. However, adding the Zags may entice Duke and Virginia to join the BIG12 later down the road. No need to rush any decisions.
 

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