Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[bosco]

It's a bluff to keep them from jumping at a Big 12 lifeline.

Even if both PAC schools were valued at approximately what the rest of the league is getting, most of B1G membership knows TV exposure for them falls under their deal if they add more mouths to feed with a fixed number of media slots. They will be interested, but not until the next big media deal rolls around and they see how their more preferred options turn out.

The BIG just friendzoned them and they'll simp for it.

 

[Stormin]

I think you take Arizona if they want and wait. ASU and Utah will be there later.

The problem is that Arizona and ASU share the same Board of Regents. So with all these rumors and the PAC falling apart, there may be pressure that Arizona can only leave if ASU comes along too. I know we haven’t seen this in the past, but there is a lot of media attention before these decisions are made. Other moves were made without similar media attention leading up to the move (Oklahoma vs Oklahoma State, UCLA vs Cal).

No. Take them. Then there are 4 power conferences. No doubt.

 

[Cloneon]

Not what I am saying.

FSU will pay the $100M AND FSU will forego their ACC media rights payments within the GOR ($17M annually).

The question I have is who would televise FSU games if they joined the Big10? Does ESPN still own those broadcast rights for FSU, if FSU leaves the ACC?

Or would the Big10's media partners televise FSU games since they have broadcast rights for Big10 schools.

If the Big10 media partners televise FSU games, then the Big10 is going to get that TV money and it would support the Big10's media rights contract at $60-$65M.

How is the ACC damaged. ESPN is still paying the 13 ACC schools $17M and ND is getting their $10M. ESPN might not be happy, but at $17M they still have a good deal for an ACC that excludes FSU. Plus to get a pound of flesh from the ACC they would push ACC to play 9 conference games instead of 8. ESPN can probably get more ad revenue from an ACC game vs. non-con games.

This can't just be bluster from FSU. Somehow they feel they can walk into the Big10/SEC payday at $60M and forego the ACC payday of $17M.

I, honestly, thought not too long ago, someone posted how badly the FSU AD was in the red. If true, there's some Monopoly money flying around.

 

[SCNCY]

I thought that ESPN and FOX were short on money. Do they really want to pay FSU and Clemson SEC money, when they get them for so cheap today? Same story with Oregon, Washington, etc.

Everything is based on how much Ad revenue they can sell for a game. The Big10 and SEC now have enough big brands where they can have a “blue blood matchup” every week. That’ll drive ad revenue and thus, make sense to add the right schools. There are even enough middle of the road schools that’ll match up every week. Basically, there won’t be a weekend where you won’t have a 2-3 boring games. In the past, there have been weekends full of meh matchups and a chance to maybe take a break; it anymore.

 

[Cloneon]

So many have commented and I completely agree on just convince Zona, then let some of the dominos fall.

BUT, extend an offer to WA/OR and slow play ASU and UT. No harm in that with substantial up side.

 

[hoosman]

12 months ago. B1G: We want only USC/UCLA f-off WAOR. B12: Join us WAOR full share $31M
today. B1G: Just kidding WAOR - we'll let you in for 1/2 share. B12: Join us WAOR full share $31M (same as B1G offer)

WAOR has no pride or honor. They are total prostitutes if they join B1G.

 

[SCNCY]

12 months ago. B1G: We want only USC/UCLA f-off WAOR. B12: Join us WAOR full share $31M
today. B1G: Just kidding WAOR - we'll let you in for 1/2 share. B12: Join us WAOR full share $31M (same as B1G offer)

WAOR has no pride or honor. They are total prostitutes if they join B1G.

I’d still take a half share of Big 10 knowing I’d be full share in their next media deal and a secure future.

 

[RonBurgundy]

The bad thing about this is if the PAC ceases to exist, and then the ACC blows up, the Big 12 will be a distant third behind the B1G and the SEC a lot sooner than we thought.

Being 3 of 5 was fine. Being 3 of 4 is OK. Being 3 of 3 will kinda suck. But I guess we can live with it as ISU fans to be in one of the three 20-24 team conferences. Better than the fate that is awaiting WSU, OSU, Wake Forest, etc.

 

[CydeofFries]

One reason I'm not sure of, but I think is going to play a huge role here, is how much money these networks have left to spend. Yeah both the Big12 and B1G can probably add the remainders of the Pac, but if the ACC collapses does ESPN have enough cash to pay those schools even more for almost the same inventory? How much of their future revenue was predicted on this dealing running through the end?

 

[loyalson4evatru]

Iowa
Iowa St
Nebraska
Minn
Illinois
Wisc
Missouri
Kansas
Kansas St
Oklah St

at some point this will probably be our "subdivision" of whatever conference we're called....

"Midwest Region - West"

 

[Cloneon]

Who would have ever thought that, if conferences ever consolidated to a Power 3, that the B12 would possibly have a seat at the table. I mean, who knows what is going to happen, and if it will happen this year or in 5 years, but you have to agree that the B12 has a great chance to be #3.

My take is Yormark is targeting P3 when basketball contracts get broken out.

 

[stateofmind]

No, it’s because Gary had to appear in court probably. Too many lawsuits to make the vote.

He's no longer their AD.

 

[Cloneon]

The ACC uncertinty probably just threw a big wrench into Washington and Oregon to the Big 10. Those 2 spots could easily be used for ACC refugees and ND.

Don't think for a second, that's not part of the strategy for the FSU comments. If the belt for Fox and ESPN is tightening, better for them to 'sell' than wait for P12 offers.

 

[1UNI2ISU]

I’d still take a half share of Big 10 knowing I’d be full share in their next media deal and a secure future.

100%. They'd be insane not to take a Big Ten offer just like every other school in the Big 12.

 

[AlaCyclone]

I think Louisville fits Big 12 as well. Decent football program, and big basketball brand.

And do not underestimate the pork chop sandwiches you can get at a Louisville football game! FWIW, their football stadium is the only FBS on campus stadium that is 100% seatbacks. It's a very nice stadium. The Upper deck is steep, but you can see Churchill Downs from there which is also a good daily double when you can go to a football game and racing at Churchill Downs on the same day!

 

[HFCS]

If the B12 ends up as the "B20", who are the 4 extra schools we're likely add after the 4 corners from the PAC? I'm guessing Pitt, NC State, Syracuse and UConn? Would prefer VTech and Miami to the latter two, but I don't see how they don't end up in the enlarged SEC with FSU and Clemson.

Miami is a crazy prize that would be incredible if they somehow were passed on by Big Ten/SEC because Florida doesn't want to share in SEC. AZ/ASU are basically already in the Big 12. Ore/Wash we'll know within a week or two.

So with those five out of the way I'd then rank the rest...
Pitt
VaTech
Duke (Do we really even need any more basketball after Arizona and Cincy added to already #1 hoops?)
NC State
UConn (again do we really even need more basketball prestige? Like them as a risk/reward project.)
Utah
Louisville

Kind of drops off in interest after those.

 

[Cmonwhatarewedoinghereman]

I, honestly, thought not too long ago, someone posted how badly the FSU AD was in the red. If true, there's some Monopoly money flying around.

It wouldn’t surprise me. If the people in charge of FSU are so stupid to say all that stuff on a livestream then…woof. After everyone else said we’re out, one guy said “well we can’t sell out for most home games anyway”. What a s*** show.

 

[alarson]

Not what I am saying.

FSU will pay the $100M AND FSU will forego their ACC media rights payments within the GOR ($17M annually).

The question I have is who would televise FSU games if they joined the Big10? Does ESPN still own those broadcast rights for FSU, if FSU leaves the ACC?

Or would the Big10's media partners televise FSU games since they have broadcast rights for Big10 schools.

They can't just "forego their payments". The ACC would still hold their rights. The big 10 can't broadcast what it doesn't have rights to. So they'd bring zero value to the big 10.

How is the ACC damaged. ESPN is still paying the 13 ACC schools $17M and ND is getting their $10M. ESPN might not be happy, but at $17M they still have a good deal for an ACC that excludes FSU. Plus to get a pound of flesh from the ACC they would push ACC to play 9 conference games instead of 8. ESPN can probably get more ad revenue from an ACC game vs. non-con games.

This can't just be bluster from FSU. Somehow they feel they can walk into the Big10/SEC payday at $60M and forego the ACC payday of $17M.

You can't be serious asking "how is the ACC damaged". It absolutely can be bluster. Plenty of idiots have ran into court thinking they could win unwinnable cases.

 

[Cloneon]

I can believe this is closer than anything else out there to the truth.

Obviously yes. BUT, for how much. If one school is holding it up, I suspect the B1G low-balled OR/WA. I'm insanely curious how low.

 

[ClonerJams]

Utah resisting joining the Big 12 up until this point