Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[ISUgrad22]

Things change. It used to be the Big 6. Was that better?

So what if the league has 30 teams as long as ISU has a solid home in a conference that helps to fund the athletic department.

It’s just going to ruin football. Bye bye historical rivalries, it’s all about what tv contracts we can get. Can’t wait to play again our fierce rival BYU every year. Barf

 

[2speedy1]

Chemistry and biochemistry departments can get massive NIH grants to do fundamental (non-clinical) health-related research.

Too bad ISU doesnt have those majors ...Oh, wait...

 

[CycloneErik]

100% not being argumentative but where can you find the employer surveys in relation to satisfaction related to their alma matter? Not even looking at ISU just like is there a site in general that has these to look up?

I doubt it. It's more urban legend and talking ourselves up than anything.

 

[Kagavi]

All those institutions have two big things going for them. Commitment to their development from the state, and positive demographics. ISU enjoys neither. Very disappointing that we aren’t even treading water in terms of our standing.

I posted about this a while ago in an AAU thread that I can't find now, but this is absolutely true. Regressive state policies focused on fleeting gains with nothing to show for it - except for declining rankings and brain drain.

When Syracuse left the AAU a while back (ahead of getting kicked out), a story reported:

In an email Monday to faculty, SU Chancellor Nancy Cantor said new membership criteria gave more weight to universities with medical complexes and large science and engineering departments. SU’s “undisputed pre-eminence,” she said, lies in areas such as architecture, public affairs and information studies.

It appears the focus on engineering at Iowa State University of Science and Technology is a negative in the eyes of the AAU. Huh.

 

[2speedy1]

Not sure where ISU ranks currently nationally. Top 30 would pleasantly surprise me. If someone has a good online website with research rankings, would love to see it.

TIA

https://ncsesdata.nsf.gov/profiles/site?method=rankingbysource&ds=herd

The last data is for 2021, I believe we have substantially increased our expenditures over the last couple years. I think we are above 500k now

Keep in mind...ND is 30 places behind us

 

[FriendlySpartan]

https://ncsesdata.nsf.gov/profiles/site?method=rankingbysource&ds=herd

The last data is for 2021, I believe we have substantially increased our expenditures over the last couple years. I think we are above 500k now

Keep in mind...ND is 30 places behind us

Wow ND and Clemson right next to each other is a weird look. Even odder is the school right behind Clemson is a tiny little university in Detroit that no one outside the area has probably heard of. Ouch.

 

[2speedy1]

Wow ND and Clemson right next to each other is a weird look. Even odder is the school right behind Clemson is a tiny little university in Detroit that no one outside the area has probably heard of. Ouch.

Yeah, and Oregon is 50+ spots below those. But hey they still are AAU.

 

[CycloneBob]

I've been checking out the Colorado message board. It's difficult to stomach because (like most of the other PAC teams) they think so highly of themselves. However, I ran across one post that I thought was pretty perceptive:

"I think the Big 12 is the one conference that's excepted its faith. They are a middle class conference but they want to be the best middle class conference in the world. The PAC still thinks it's an upper class conference. ESPN said, you are middle class and less valuable to us than the Big XII especially if we can take some of your brands and turn this conference into what the American wanted to be. The top middle class conference in the world but it's impossible to be middle class when you are lower middle class in everything. You got a lot of bus drivers and cafeteria workers in conferences like the Sun Belt, Mt West, and CUSA. But your bus drivers get paid more because you are in bigger cities.

Now with the Big XII realizing what they are. They created a market for themselves. They know they are no longer upper class but they are middle class. The ACC and Pac-12 refuse to realize they are middle class now too and it's gonna drive the PAC to being a fake middle class conference.

For 2024-25, the B1G and SEC is upper class.

ACC, Big XII, and PAC are middle class

The G5s are always lower middle class and lower class with no chance of being middle class as they lack the "athletic education"

The ACC has not accepted its faith but are stuck. The Big XII has and they are doing exactly what the American conference wanted to do. Be a conference that's coast to coast. The best middle class sports available but they only had G5 money and you can't be middle class or upper middle class with G5 money. No one wants to travel if they don't have to. It helps that ESPN is doing the bidding for the Big XII and that's honestly what's killed the PAC.

The PAC won't be dead but it's gonna be the Mountain West with great inheritance. Sadly, they didn't read the room. The Big XII is reading the room and they don't have any competition. The G5s are easy pickings, everyone wants out.

I think we are going to see the Big XII be the first upper middle class conference when its all said and done.

The landscape has changed and they were the ones to adjust. I still think the ACC can be upper middle class but how long can that last with so much uncertainty.
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The author needs to go to composition and grammar school - that was unbelievable!

 

[CyCrazy]

Never ceases to amaze me that people don't care about their own institution as an academic entity.

I do but I dont go to Biology class to cheer them on. Calm down sally. We have plenty of research money coming in.

 

[CyCrazy]

100% aware that’s why I said that if they didn’t have high academics they wouldn’t be Notre Dame. AAU status would not have limited them or any other institution with that kind of academic background

Its all a high five with schools being in the AAU. It has zero to do with realingment. It makes the academic feel good, but this is flat out about money. The B10 can claim it is academics all they want. They invited a piss poor school in Nebby. This AAU **** is out the window. And Nebby hasnt done anything for the B10.

 

[aeroclone]

All those institutions have two big things going for them. Commitment to their development from the state, and positive demographics. ISU enjoys neither. Very disappointing that we aren’t even treading water in terms of our standing.

State support? Isn't USF still in Florida?

 

[Cfinnerty16]

Wow ND and Clemson right next to each other is a weird look. Even odder is the school right behind Clemson is a tiny little university in Detroit that no one outside the area has probably heard of. Ouch.

Lol look at U of Miami

Miami U.

255

28.7

25,138

Edit I'm dumb and posted Ohio.

U. Miami

75

9.1

375,841

 

[theshadow]

Lol look at U of Miami

Miami U.

255

28.7

25,138

Miami U = Ohio
U Miami = Florida

 

[HouClone]

So did we get Colorado yet? June 1st, thought that was the date.

 

[FarminCy]

So did we get Colorado yet? June 1st, thought that was the date.

Don’t you dare try to interrupt academic rankings discussions!!!

 

[awd4cy]

That might be true, but high academic schools that are not AAU might want to get their message out.

The perception in the sports media (I can't speak for media overall) is that AAU is the gold standard and only standard for academic status.

ISU and other schools might want to emphasize where they stand in research spending/grants. Maybe break out medical from other research.

I agree that AAU status is exaggerated because I feel (maybe wrongly) a lot of that research money is related to graduate programs, whereas athletics pertains to undergrads for the most part.

We’re never getting invited to the Big 10. Who cares?

 

[Jer]

So did we get Colorado yet? June 1st, thought that was the date.

811 pages of circular discussion and we're (again) back to where we started. It's starting to feel like getting invited to an orgy only to find out it's all dudes.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

811 pages of circular discussion and we're (again) back to where we started. It's starting to feel like getting invited to an orgy only to find out it's all dudes.

So your normal Thursday night lol

 

[HouClone]

2012
Florida State and Clemson coming to the Big 12. Nope.

2023
Utah, ASU, Arizona, Colorado
ASU, Arizona, Colorado
Arizona, Colorado
Colorado
UConn, Gonzaga

Ugh.

2030
I'll get a head start.
Louisville, Pittsburgh, Virginia Tech, NC State, South Florida

Feels like Jeepers Creepers where that creature wakes up every 23 years. They get wise and have a harpoon ready to go when he wakes up (sorry, spoiler alert).

 

[Nolaeer]

The Big 12 is in a really good place right now, I just wish WVU didnt suck in football.

The 4 adds were good, better than the 4 corner schools. I'll be disappointed if the Big 12 can't snag Pitt, VT, Louisville, and Miami when the ACC falls apart, but i don't care one bit about the 4 corner schools. id rather Uconn, than any of the 4 corner schools.

There's a reason the PAC cant get a TV deal--because no one wants to watch them play.