Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[CascadeClone]

also, and not to harp on this but here is one more thought...

it takes 2 to tango. the media partners wanted to settle up with the big 12 and agreed to enter into negotiations with them. they could have said no, lets wait, we have this more lucrative deal pending with the Pac, but they sure as **** didnt because that wasnt the case. the big 12 was the more lucratuive deal.

That's a really insightful observation. TV and TV money is really what is driving all this anyway. If Fox/ESPN valued the PAC higher than the Big12, they wouldn't have done the early negotiation with BY - or they would have lowballed the heck out of it. BY didn't "trick" the TV folks into that for crying out loud. It's a lot more likely the TV folks did it to further destabilize the PAC.

So if you want to blame someone, you could start with the B1G for taking your flagships. Or you could start with the TV folks for paying for that to happen. But that would be admitting you are on the wrong side of the power leverage curve, and that's pretty scary.

 

[FerShizzle]

You were doing great until you suggested adding SDSU

just like a lot of people dont get the love for SDSU, i dont get the hate. they are a gateway into california and sound like a great roadtrip. they give a regional rival to Arizona. they are a lot like the TCU add. a small school in a big market city that has the potential to explode.

i would much rather add them than Utah.

 

[SolterraCyclone]

Thanks for clearing everything up Utah. So brave.

I do think, reading between the lines, it’s telling Utah’s AD would respond like that. If Utah were imminently about to jump to the Big 12, no way does he respond like that.

 

[sunset]

just like a lot of people dont get the love for SDSU, i dont get the hate. they are a gateway into california and sound like a great roadtrip. they give a regional rival to Arizona. they are a lot like the TCU add. a small school in a big market city that has the potential to explode.

i would much rather add them than Utah.

SDSU is roughly the same size as ISU. They do have a small following when it comes to football and it will take a lot to turn that around.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

just like a lot of people dont get the love for SDSU, i dont get the hate. they are a gateway into california and sound like a great roadtrip. they give a regional rival to Arizona. they are a lot like the TCU add. a small school in a big market city that has the potential to explode.

i would much rather add them than Utah.

No one is making a decision to add a school because it’s “a great road trip”. Then Big12 already added 4 G5 schools which has had a major impact on its perception you can’t add a 5th. Plus they really aren’t a gateway into Cali and just don’t add any value.

 

[FerShizzle]

I do think, reading between the lines, it’s telling Utah’s AD would respond like that. If Utah were imminently about to jump to the Big 12, no way does he respond like that.

part of me thinks they are already on the outside looking in at a 2 school add from the pac and getting out in front of being left out when those 2 schools leave.

 

[FerShizzle]

No one is making a decision to add a school because it’s “a great road trip”. Then Big12 already added 4 G5 schools which has had a major impact on its perception you can’t add a 5th. Plus they really aren’t a gateway into Cali and just don’t add any value.

i know. but it is a feather in its cap. i would rather go there than say central florida or cincinatti.

 

[Stormin]

Look for Arizona to jump first. Colorado will leave. Get those 2 first.

 

[HFCS]

Here’s the scary thing about Big 12 basketball value and banking on it.

The Big 12 has been the best basketball conference for a solid 12 years straight now, not debatable, just the truth. It’s numbers.

For the first ten years of that dominance it wasn’t recognized as such by media and public perception. Part of it is people were used to touting ACC and Big East like it was the 90s still. Part of it was the media’s perma bone for the Big Ten even though their tournament performance is horrifically bad many years.

Even after Tech made final and Baylor won it all the reality wasn’t conveyed. It took a KU championship at the end of that long stretch for people to realize the Big 12 had separated as a level above.

If it’s that hard to get everyone to see the long term almost generational truth, imagine how easy it can be to be slid under the rug?

A small % is the fault of the Big 12 for not promoting the truth. Having a guy like BY in charge instead of the whims of Texas cannot hurt.

 

[KnappShack]

SDSU is roughly the same size as ISU. They do have a small following when it comes to football and it will take a lot to turn that around.

A miracle?

 

[dafarmer]

Yeah, I'm just waiting for speedy to launch into his marathon lecture to nip the SDSU talk in the bud.

Who the #### wants SDSU?

 

[keepngoal]

With the exception of Washington State, Oregon State and possibly Arizona, pretty much all of the remaining PAC schools look down their nose at the Big 12. They feel we need them more than they need us (just look at Colorado's message board). The PAC schools believe we'll take them whenever THEY decide they'll grace us with their presence, and that may be true.

For that reason, I'd love to see us take the 2 Arizona schools to kill off the PAC, and then let the other PAC schools twist in the wind long enough to be humbled. Then see if OU and UW are willing to sign a long term GOR. If they say no, only then consider bringing in a couple more PAC schools (or 1 more PAC along with San Diego State).

ASU, AZ can come day 1...

I want CU feel a little pain, then they can come..

Utah needs to beg and plead or I'm perfectly happy keeping them in a Pac-7 with SDSU, Fresno, and whatever else they can throw together

The near sadist feelings about Utah are odd to me. This will come down to a business decision not the needs for feelings to be heard.

“Make them little and beg…”. Making others feel more pain sadness around an emotional topic… So odd to me.

And that is before we go down how would ISU fans react to other fanbases if in the same situation as some members in the PAC.

 

[BooneCy]

part of me thinks they are already on the outside looking in at a 2 school add from the pac and getting out in front of being left out when those 2 schools leave.

I think there are some people that believe there is some sort of draft board like process happening here. It doesn’t work that way. Yormack builds relationships and sells his product. People talk and then they talk some more. Nothing happens until a pac school decides to move, then you rely on your relationships and sales jobs. There is not outside looking in group. If Utah came to Yormack first, he would talk to them. It really does go back to who is going to talk to Yormack first. Arizona appears to be the closest.

The Prisoners Dilemma used earlier in this thread is still the best analogy, except the prisoners can talk to each other, they just don’t know if they can trust each other.

 

[HFCS]

Who the #### wants SDSU?

I say this living a 2.5 hour drive away. As much as I’d like an easy to travel to ISU game, southern Californians just are not college sports fans. The only reason pro sports even work is the massive population center to pull from and tourists. You can see it in San Diego’s difficulty to attract and hold pro sports teams. The Padres have the built in advantage of the exact best weather by a mile in the entire USA.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Here’s the scary thing about Big 12 basketball value and banking on it.

The Big 12 has been the best basketball conference for a solid 12 years straight now, not debatable, just the truth. It’s numbers.

For the first ten years of that dominance it wasn’t recognized as such by media and public perception. Part of it is people were used to touting ACC and Big East like it was the 90s still. Part of it was the media’s perma bone for the Big Ten even though their tournament performance is horrifically bad many years.

Even after Tech made final and Baylor won it all the reality wasn’t conveyed. It took a KU championship at the end of that long stretch for people to realize the Big 12 had separated as a level above.

If it’s that hard to get everyone to see the long term almost generational truth, imagine how easy it can be to be slid under the rug?

A small % is the fault of the Big 12 for not promoting the truth. Having a guy like BY in charge instead of the whims of Texas cannot hurt.

The talking heads recognizing it and the fans recognizing it are two different things. Ultimately, fan interest is going to drive the money.

 

[GoldCy]

The near sadist feelings about Utah are odd to me. This will come down to a business decision not the needs for feelings to be heard.

“Make them little and beg…”. Making others feel more pain sadness around an emotional topic… So odd to me.

And that is before we go down how would ISU fans react to other fanbases if in the same situation as some members in the PAC.

We've already seen how our fans react.

 

[HFCS]

The talking heads recognizing it and the fans recognizing it are two different things. Ultimately, fan interest is going to drive the money.

I think it took 10-11 years for non Big 12 fans to know it and/or accept it.

It’s just in the past year or two if you go on a Big Ten board and some moron is saying the Big 12 sucks (basketball) a few people will correct it rather than unanimously agree.

Our own fan interest probably does matter most, especially for streaming services, but if building casual viewership is a goal you have to fight mountains of intentional and unintentional misinformation…never mind if the league slips and actually isn’t the best for a while.

 

[JRE1975]

Here’s the scary thing about Big 12 basketball value and banking on it.

The Big 12 has been the best basketball conference for a solid 12 years straight now, not debatable, just the truth. It’s numbers.

For the first ten years of that dominance it wasn’t recognized as such by media and public perception. Part of it is people were used to touting ACC and Big East like it was the 90s still. Part of it was the media’s perma bone for the Big Ten even though their tournament performance is horrifically bad many years.

Even after Tech made final and Baylor won it all the reality wasn’t conveyed. It took a KU championship at the end of that long stretch for people to realize the Big 12 had separated as a level above.

If it’s that hard to get everyone to see the long term almost generational truth, imagine how easy it can be to be slid under the rug?

A small % is the fault of the Big 12 for not promoting the truth. Having a guy like BY in charge instead of the whims of Texas cannot hurt.

You know the national perception has changed when earlier this week ESPN moved the Big 12 games from ESPN2 to ESPN and the ACC to ESPN2

 

[keepngoal]

We've already seen how our fans react.

Yep and that isn’t who ISU is either. Yet… Utah is? Or any other school.

 

[FerShizzle]

The talking heads recognizing it and the fans recognizing it are two different things. Ultimately, fan interest is going to drive the money.

i think ESPN is on board with helping brand the big 12 as the best basketball conference going forward. BY has commented recently about how appreciative he is of their help with this branding.