Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[AuH2O]

There is speculation by more than just a few hawk fans that the PAC is going to poach

Again - look to expand and poach teams from the Big 12 are two completely different things. It's wishful thinking on the PACs part and the dimwit media. If Oregon and UW somehow commit to staying long term, and they give somebody like Okie State a great deal, then maybe. But I'm not sure how Oregon and UW could/would do anything meaningful that wouldn't make a prospective member nervous.

Here's what people need to understand. Larry Scott might have been a bad commish and made some bad decisions, but this idea that Kliavkoff just needs to "negotiate" a better media deal is not very realistic. The reality is he has an undesirable product which was PAC football even with USC. Now he's lost the one potential giant, national brand that if good actually draws viewers. Oregon is a national brand that is a very good, but not great TV draw. PAC sports are crap TV products. People don't care, and people don't watch.

We plains yokels love CFB and watch not only our teams, but our conference mates' games.

 

[Kinch]

So they going to go after Big 12 schools? Each conference probably end up going after each others schools. Who will win out???

If I am ISU and the PAC asks them to come along with most of the rest, I would do it. It is just going to be who asks first. If it is only a few and ISU is asked then you also go. The big 12 does not have much TV sets and most schools are secondary in their state like ISU, Cincy, Texas (although just getting on TV there would be huge).

Which makes me wonder, what channels or providers are wanting Big 12 games in the new deal in 2025?

And if am Iowa, I would be nervous if conferences consolidate again in 10 years. The hoks are definitely are on the outside looking in. Iowa, Vanderbilt, mississippi state, Rutgers and Purdue are the next shoes to drop.

 

[Thinker]

It makes a lot of sense. Large state schools with a traditional following. And Stanford

ISU needs that. I love Iowa, but do not want ISU to get left out to dry

 

[cyIclSoneU]

When the remaining 10 sign a GOR, I’ll start to get nervous. Until then, that statement is complete ********.

Pac 10 + ISU, KSU, KU, OSU, Tech & Houston is what I’m rooting for though

Regardless of what I think will happen, I agree that this is what I want to happen. As long as ISU, KU, KSU, OSU are included, I’d rather join the existing Pac schools rather than continue to play the private Texas schools or start playing in Orlando.

I know that Washington State and Oregon State are not financially as valuable but they are very similar universities to ISU and it would be more fun to be in a league with them.

I’d enjoy playing large state schools like Washington and Oregon (for as long as they stick around), Utah, Arizonas, obviously Colorado again.

And ISU fans would have a good time in the Bay Area and probably turn those into Cyclone home games.

 

[Trice]

What’s the worst case scenario here?
Something like the Pac-10 sticking together and inviting KU, OSU, and the Texas schools. (I think we are likely in if the Pac expands by 6, but worst case.)

BYU would go indy again.

It would be us, Cincinnati, UCF, West Virginia, Kansas State, maybe Baylor or Houston in there stuck in a 6-school shell of a conference that would get approached by the American and asked for a merger. The “best case” there would be to peel off 4-6 more American schools and try to be the best G5 (now G6) league.

That’s not out of the question even if it is unlikely. I think people on here are way too confident even if it is the case that good (or at least not catastrophic) things happening is a >50% proposition.

I'm old enough to recall when, within a few weeks of the OU/UT debacle of 11 months ago, people on this board were talking about the very high likelihood of ISU going to the B1G in 2-3 more years after more realignment and TV deals shake out. How's that prediction looking right about now?

I agree we're in better position now and I'm not bracing for doomsday. But nor will I ever believe again - perhaps ever, but certainly in the next few years - that we're secure and the bottom can't fall out at any moment.

 

[Thinker]

And if am Iowa, I would be nervous if conferences consolidate again in 10 years. The hoks are definitely are on the outside looking in. Iowa, Vanderbilt, mississippi state, Rutgers and Purdue are the next shoes to drop.

Iowa is a top 20-25 revenue university....... They are even ahead of Wisconsin in that regard. for comparison ISU is between 35-40.

 

[Kinch]

Never, because we were always counter attacking being raided. Being aggressive is how we got the Big 12 to come together originally. If we're aggressive we will be fine

We took Texas, a and m, baylor and tech from the swc.

 

[jcyclonee]

This is an honest question.

I know that UCLA has a really good brand in a huge market. However, is there any significant following for UCLA athletics anymore? I know there is some interest in their basketball but it isn't what it should be.

 

[Thinker]

We took Texas, a and m, baylor and tech from the swc.

And now, since Nebraska, Missouri, and Colorado...... The big 12 has been poached of the name brands

 

[CascadeClone]

The PAC12 needs to add teams regardless of the scenario.

If OU/UW stay, then they need a couple to get back to 12 and look respectable. No different than what the Big12 did when OuT happened - add some warm bodies.

If OU/UW leave, then they gotta try to add 4 to keep the conference alive, even though it will be severely diluted. Even more warm bodies!

If OU/UW and 4-6 others leave too, then the 2-4 left behind will essentially join the MWC, but call it the PAC12 because the brand name is bigger.

They gotta start looking around and talking to people no matter what happens. No choice. No different than what the Big12 did when OuT happened.

 

[Thinker]

This is an honest question.

I know that UCLA has a really good brand in a huge market. However, is there any significant following for UCLA athletics anymore? I know there is some interest in their basketball but it isn't what it should be.

I believe they are a top 25 ish type money maker

 

[jcyclonee]

I'm old enough to recall when, within a few weeks of the OU/UT debacle of 11 months ago, people on this board were talking about the very high likelihood of ISU going to the B1G in 2-3 more years after more realignment and TV deals shake out. How's that prediction looking right about now?

I agree we're in better position now and I'm not bracing for doomsday. But nor will I ever believe again - perhaps ever, but certainly in the next few years - that we're secure and the bottom can't fall out at any moment.

The guy with the mustache from Fox really let us down with that prediction.

 

[Hoggins]

The PAC12 needs to add teams regardless of the scenario.

If OU/UW stay, then they need a couple to get back to 12 and look respectable. No different than what the Big12 did when OuT happened - add some warm bodies.

If OU/UW leave, then they gotta try to add 4 to keep the conference alive, even though it will be severely diluted. Even more warm bodies!

If OU/UW and 4-6 others leave too, then the 2-4 left behind will essentially join the MWC, but call it the PAC12 because the brand name is bigger.

They gotta start looking around and talking to people no matter what happens. No choice. No different than what the Big12 did when OuT happened.

Adding 2 won’t do jackshit for them. It’s gonna take 4-6 and I doubt 4 can do it.

 

[jcyclonee]

I believe they are a top 25 ish type money maker

I'm actually surprised by that when you see the complete lack of attendance at the football games and the underwhelming crowds at their basketball games. I don't even think they draw particularly large TV crowds. I suppose they have plenty of wealthy alumni though.

 

[Thinker]

I'm actually surprised by that when you see the complete lack of attendance at the football games and the underwhelming crowds at their basketball games. I don't even think they draw particularly large TV crowds. I suppose they have plenty of wealthy alumni though.

I might be wrong and cannot find that link to look it up, but want to say they were up there.

 

[CascadeClone]

Yes, the PAC would love to take Okie State. But no team in their right mind is leaving the Big 12 for the PAC right now. PAC was in terrible shape before losing their biggest brand and another one of their better brands. And no one thinks Oregon is locked in in the PAC.

PAC's as good as dead. People that think the PAC is going to poach the Big 12 are just showing how clueless they are about this topic.

The closest it would get is some kind of merger/partnership of equals between the Pac12 leftovers (8 or 10) and the Big12.

 

[2speedy1]

If (when) the ACC implodes, UNC goes to the BIG or SEC. UNC and Virginia are the battle line between the BIG and SEC. Notre Dame may be part of that too if they can't stay independent.

Ah yes I forgot about UVA,

UNC and UVA will be heavy favorites for the B1G.....both AAU, Both Fit their league.
Guessing Duke and Ga Tech will be the next choices. also AAU.

Pitt is AAU but dont see that as a fit
None of the others are AAU...

My guess is Pitt and Louisville would end up in Big 12.

SEC probably takes 1 or both FSU and Miami, Clemson, NCst, VaTech

Any of the above schools not going to the SEC or B1G would go to the Big 12.

Outsiders- Syracuse, BC, Wake

Obviously this is if and when the GOR ends.

 

[7Got6]

Iowa is a top 20-25 revenue university....... They are even ahead of Wisconsin in that regard. for comparison ISU is between 35-40.

College Football Value Rankings

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Ranking 84 major college football programs by brand value

One month ago, I ranked 73 college football programs by the value they bring in conference realignment, using four metrics: Home…

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Iowa is 18th in brand value. 6th or 7th in the B10. There’d be a long list of schools cut out before Iowa.

 

[2speedy1]

And you know this how? how do you know about the ACC GOR more than any other person out there?

Math...I know its hard for Hawk fans, but Math.

 

[ScottyP]

College Football Value Rankings

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Ranking 84 major college football programs by brand value

One month ago, I ranked 73 college football programs by the value they bring in conference realignment, using four metrics: Home…

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Iowa is 18th in brand value. 6th or 7th in the B10. There’d be a long list of schools cut out before Iowa.

I'm not sure if Cedar Rapids is a big enough TV market