Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

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Are there 3 viable "call-ups" that would get the overall "haves" list to 72?

Because that's 4 x 18. Then ESPN and Fox can maneuver to each get 36 teams in 2 leagues.
 

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If $100m per team in the B1G is true, I don’t think there’s much chance of sitting back and saving the PAC. The remaining top teams aren’t going to want to be 75% behind in revenue for 10+ years. I think the only way to add value for them now is to get creative and get aggressive (and hypothetically adding Kansas and Boise State to fill the 2 voids ain’t gonna cut it).

I also think the ACC has near zero leverage. The wolves are on the outside and the moment they open the gates I think it’s over…too much chaff over there.
I would be VERY surprised if the Big10 TV deal is paying schools $100M in 2023/24. IMO that is an average over the contract. Maybe what Big10 schools could make in 2028/29.
 

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Because if the ACC does any of that stuff, it opens up the GoR and the big schools go to the Big ten and the SEC. They can't open up or they will lose more than they gain.
I hear you, but if they do nothing, then the ACC is a dead man walking.

I think they HAVE to at least gamble on grabbing teams to try to become the 3rd Power conference. Essentially, they need FSU, Clemson, and Miami to WANT to keep the ACC alive as the 3rd Power conference and stay in it. If they don't want that and want to go SEC when the time comes, then nothing will happen now and the ACC is over. If they do want that, then the ACC must go add teams asap starting with Wash and Oregon.
 

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This is FOX versus ESPN for Tier 1 rights.

B1G versus $EC.
Pac-12 and Big 12 merge as Fox wants to put that up against the ACC and ESPN

The Bay schools are irrelevant to streamers but cash cows for linear providers. B1G seems to prefer markets and brands over just MBB and FB power. Cal and Stanford give the B1G total control of the most populated state for BTN.
 

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I'd love for TCU to get picked off by the SEC or Big 10. Opens up a spot for a better program. They give you a physical presence but no eyeballs. Baylor is far better at football and MBB. Yes, there is baggage and they sometimes stink to deal with. But I'd rather have Louisville, Pitt, Va Tech, Oregon, Washington than TCU

Good points…it’s long shot. But it’s not that different than their claim Rutgers gets them nyc…if they want “Texas” it’s TCU or Houston.

I only bring it up because some rumor had TCU on list…and I think TCU is as big in their market as Maryland is in DC (which is to say not that big but I guess it doesn’t matter for big ten only).
 

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Are there 3 viable "call-ups" that would get the overall "haves" list to 72?

Because that's 4 x 18. Then ESPN and Fox can maneuver to each get 36 teams in 2 leagues.

And then the best 24 will split off to be the SuperLeague. The rest will be JV. Money will be about 3 to 1.
 

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Not exactly sure.
I hear you, but if they do nothing, then the ACC is a dead man walking.

I think they HAVE to at least gamble on grabbing teams to try to become the 3rd Power conference. Essentially, they need FSU, Clemson, and Miami to WANT to keep the ACC alive as the 3rd Power conference and stay in it. If they don't want that and want to go SEC when the time comes, then nothing will happen now and the ACC is over. If they do want that, then the ACC must go add teams asap starting with Wash and Oregon.
A lot of ifs, I get it. One option is to have the other conferences destroy the PAC12. When that happens, it leaves 4 conferences. If we stay conference style, and not have a break away, four conferences will probably be needed, this allows the ACC to maybe not be the big ten or SEC, but be a conference near the Big 12. If the big schools can bump up 40 MM per year, you think they won't leave? They will, the ACC is in trouble either way.
 

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It is considered a conference at minimum. NCAA has said that 10 is the minimum to have for a conference. So, yes 12 is stable enough to survive which was our goal at the time. We now have opportunities, we don't need to find a way to survive. The PAC 12 is standing at the edge like we were for so long. Big question is, are the 3-6 teams in the PAC with 10 as valuable as the 3-6 teams in the Big 12 when we were at 10?
The NCAA will be irrelevant from a CFB standpoint in less than a year.

Yes I believe the six Pac12 schools I mention have significant TV rights value. All higher than about 50% of the new Big12.

IMO schools like ASU, UU, CU, etc have more TV value in the Big12 than Pac12.
 

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They very well may be rallying the troops to hold a ten team league like the big 12 did.

Agreed. It’s not like USC & UCLA have been dominating that conference. They just go back to being the PAC 10 minus a couple Prima Donnas.

16 really feels like the limit to me. How can you be a conference when you’re not even playing half the other members on a regular basis?
 

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Big 12 can't wait for the next next domino to fall. We have to make the move. Be the aggressor.

Utah, Colorado, and the Arizona schools should be announced at or before Media Days in Dallas. You then have equal membership to the B1G and SEC. Two more than the ACC (1 if you count ND).

Then you wait to see if Oregon and Washington are interested to go to 18. 20 it's wide open.
 

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Not exactly sure.
The NCAA will be irrelevant from a CFB standpoint in less than a year.

Yes I believe the six Pac12 schools I mention have significant TV rights value. All higher than about 50% of the new Big12.

IMO schools like ASU, UU, CU, etc have more TV value in the Big12 than Pac12.
CU is limited. ASU maybe, have inlaws there and they don't follow them much. I agree that their value in the big 12 is more than PAC 12 due to match ups and time slots.
 

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I hear you, but if they do nothing, then the ACC is a dead man walking.

I think they HAVE to at least gamble on grabbing teams to try to become the 3rd Power conference. Essentially, they need FSU, Clemson, and Miami to WANT to keep the ACC alive as the 3rd Power conference and stay in it. If they don't want that and want to go SEC when the time comes, then nothing will happen now and the ACC is over. If they do want that, then the ACC must go add teams asap starting with Wash and Oregon.

They just absolutely do not have the leverage to be aggressive. They’ll be the conference pulling from the AAC now, and I bet ESPN is already moving the pieces to backfill.
 
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Tell me their options if the Big 10 says no.
Tell me their options if the Big 10 says no.
Its been reported that the B10 told them "no" last night, and they are not planning any further expansion.

Look if the invite is out there for both teams, they are going to go to the B10, more money, better academics and the rest of it, but what if the reports are correct and the B10 turned them down? Do they try to reform the P12 by adding and are CU, Utah and the rest of the league going to be willing to sit around knowing that if Oregan and Washington get an B10 invite they will be gone?
 
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Big 12 can't wait for the next next domino to fall. We have to make the move. Be the aggressor.

Utah, Colorado, and the Arizona schools should be announced at or before Media Days in Dallas. You then have equal membership to the B1G and SEC. Two more than the ACC (1 if you count ND).

Then you wait to see if Oregon and Washington are interested to go to 18. 20 it's wide open.
We reach out and are telling OuT they can leave tomorrow at no fee. Are the Big 12 schools ready for that?
 

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Agreed. It’s not like USC & UCLA have been dominating that conference. They just go back to being the PAC 10 minus a couple Prima Donnas.

16 really feels like the limit to me. How can you be a conference when you’re not even playing half the other members on a regular basis?

That is not a stable option moving forward. Maybe in 2010, but this is a new game.
 

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I would imagine every PAC 12 school other than Wazzu and Oregon State gave their notice last night. We'll never know, obviously, but that league is dead.

Can we get a link to something substantive on this idea that teams had to notify the Pac last night of their intentions regarding grant of rights to the league? Because I haven't seen it reported anywhere besides being discussed on this board, and if teams were leaving en masse it surely would have hit social media by now.