Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[cykadelic2]

Yeah but Fed intervention is never happening and was never happening. You’re the only one who thought it had a prayer.

In making those comments JP is potentially writing ISU’s athletic eulogy to make a political point that’s meaningless. Guy is a great AD but that was a massive misstep

So all those folks who signed on in support of Cruz/Cantwell all have their head in the sand including Saban, Yormark, Phillips, Pollard, etc. and they all think it doesn't have prayer? The omission of Sankey/ Petitti was glaring and made it obvious what their preferred intentions are (along with Fox and ESPN).

If Cruz/Cantwell gets passed this year or next or even if it never does, Sankey/Petitti are now on an island politically regarding their threats of a breakaway and their actions in possibly relegating 20-25 more P4 schools. And it is foolish on your end to think that JP's comments worsen the odds of ISU being relegated. And Sankey's and Petitti's lack of a public response so far to JP's comments is also no surprise given the political island they're now on.

Petitti's quote that supports change in the system to “make sure student-athletes are getting what we want them to get.” “You’ve got a short-term, immediate issue.“ is, by far, the biggest BS and most hypocritical quote of them all. His schools made NIL promises outside of CSC/House criteria that he signed up for and now that prick wants the rules changed under threat of a breakaway. He is the dude writing his political eulogy.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

So all those folks who signed on in support of Cruz/Cantwell all have their head in the sand including Saban, Yormark, Phillips, Pollard, etc. and they all think it doesn't have prayer? The omission of Sankey/ Petitti was glaring and made it obvious what their preferred intentions are (along with Fox and ESPN).

If Cruz/Cantwell gets passed this year or next or even if it never does, Sankey/Petitti are now on an island politically regarding their threats of a breakaway and their actions in possibly relegating 20-25 more P4 schools. And it is foolish on your end to think that JP's comments worsen the odds of ISU being relegated. And Sankey's and Petitti's lack of a public response so far to JP's comments is also no surprise given the political island they're now on.

Petitti's quote that supports change in the system to “make sure student-athletes are getting what we want them to get.” “You’ve got a short-term, immediate issue.“ is, by far, the biggest BS and most hypocritical quote of them all. His schools made NIL promises outside of CSC/House criteria that he signed up for and now that prick wants the rules changed under threat of a breakaway. He is the dude writing his political eulogy.

Yep they do have their head in the sand, notice how most people that signed on aren’t even involved in college sports? It’s former people and a handful from the Big12 with I think 1 ACC school.

So yeah. They are signed on for something that isn’t going to happen but I don’t blame them for trying

 

[1SEIACLONE]

That’s not really a threat though. If they were to break away from the NCAA all those championships would be meaningless. Plus the big12 and ACC would most likely come to (although maybe JP has spoiled that with his comments for ISU)

March madness is the only real thing that would be effected and there is no way they would stick to their principals and not have the breakaway powers involved

That is a hell of chance if the NCAA tells them all the sports or none. This idea being floated by pro SEC and B10 talking heads sounds great for those two conferences. We get to make all this money by ourselves and not have to share it with the other conferences for football, but then still get to have our cake on the other sports. Now why would the B12, ACC, G-6 schools and the NCAA agree to that deal? They are going to lose football either way, but what is the value of the B10 and SEC BB schools compared to Duke, UNC, Kansas, Arizona, UCONN and others?

As someone posted earlier, the SEC and B10 only make up about 45% of the college sports viewing, breaking away leaves a lot of quality teams out of that league with plenty of fans.

 

[cykadelic2]

Yep they do have their head in the sand, notice how most people that signed on aren’t even involved in college sports? It’s former people and a handful from the Big12 with I think 1 ACC school.

So yeah. They are signed on for something that isn’t going to happen but I don’t blame them for trying

LOL, you didn't even read the list or you can't read.

By my count, there are 14 people who are currently involved in college athletics plus 14 more who are former athletes, coaches or administrators. Well over half of the folks who signed on.

 

[cykadelic2]

That’s not really a threat though. If they were to break away from the NCAA all those championships would be meaningless. Plus the big12 and ACC would most likely come to (although maybe JP has spoiled that with his comments for ISU)

March madness is the only real thing that would be effected and there is no way they would stick to their principals and not have the breakaway powers involved

Yeah, remaining NCAA championships would become less meaningful as would the B10/SEC championships.

Both entities would lose.

The only "winners" would be ESPN and Fox who would continue to get a market discount on their media contracts and their agendas are a primary driver of the existing chaos and a big reason why Sankey/Petitti won't sign up in support of Cruz/Cantwell.

 

[BadBoi]

That sounds right. I almost watch no B1G or SEC now. If they split, then they don't even exist to me. Much like LIV golf. I've never seen it on TV at all, just don't care.

Then your not really a college football fan.

 

[BadBoi]

Yeah, remaining NCAA championships would become less meaningful as would the B10/SEC championships.

Both entities would lose.

The only "winners" would be ESPN and Fox who would continue to get a market discount on their media contracts and their agendas are a primary driver of the existing chaos and a big reason why Sankey/Petitti won't sign up in support of Cruz/Cantwell.

The B10/SEC championship would be generally viewed as a meaningful championship. Let's not be crazy here. Texas Tech or BYU aren't going to discredit that by being left out.

 

[1UNI2ISU]

The B10/SEC championship would be generally viewed as a meaningful championship. Let's not be crazy here. Texas Tech or BYU aren't going to discredit that by being left out.

I hate it but if those two could come together and have their own football championship, it would do absolutely massive ratings.

Jamie is absolutely right, however, that it gets real tough to play your other 20 sports when the pool gets that shallow especially when the Big Ten doesn't play great baseball and softball (other than the tippy top) and the SEC doesn't bother to field wrestling programs (other than OU and Mizzou).

 

[FriendlySpartan]

LOL, you didn't even read the list or you can't read.

By my count, there are 14 people who are currently involved in college athletics plus 14 more who are former athletes, coaches or administrators. Well over half of the folks who signed on.

No way! 14 people currently involved in athletics!?! Oh my god. And some aren’t even decision makers but student athletes! Well if you have so much overwhelming support of less then a dozen decision makers then this should pass with ease!

Oh wait….

 

[CyCrazy]

Then your not really a college football fan

Eh, If I didnt root for Illinois or hate watch Iowa I wouldn't watch B10 fb. SEC is hit or miss for me. I never watch Acc or the Pac when it was around.

 

[1SEIACLONE]

I hate it but if those two could come together and have their own football championship, it would do absolutely massive ratings.

Jamie is absolutely right, however, that it gets real tough to play your other 20 sports when the pool gets that shallow especially when the Big Ten doesn't play great baseball and softball (other than the tippy top) and the SEC doesn't bother to field wrestling programs (other than OU and Mizzou).

It would for awhile, but then people would start to wonder how that champion would do against Miami, TCU, Clemson from one of the other leagues. You start going to an 10 game conference schedule that adds one more loss on to half the teams in the league, and since that is taking away an out of conference game, the schools that won the game would have most likely beaten that out of conference team anyway.

How soon is it going to take the lesser teams in the league to figure out they have little to no chance of winning the league, and just because Indiana rose up from the ashes, most schools are not going to be able to do it.

Let's face it, the current system is not sustainable for most of the teams going forward. The Athletic had an article today that the UT coach said most schools in their league were paying out at least $30 million in NIL and most were closer to $50 million. He said the top schools in the B10 were also at that amount and a few in the ACC and B12 were also. No way many of the schools in the B1, ACC and B12 are going to be able to come up with that type of dough year after year. Many schools will begin to not even try and just figure its a lost cause and they would be better off spending their limited NIL dollars on MBB. Schools like Purdue, Kansas, ISU and others will take the BB path and spend less and less each year on football NIL.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

Yeah, remaining NCAA championships would become less meaningful as would the B10/SEC championships.

Both entities would lose.

The only "winners" would be ESPN and Fox who would continue to get a market discount on their media contracts and their agendas are a primary driver of the existing chaos and a big reason why Sankey/Petitti won't sign up in support of Cruz/Cantwell.

Yeah that’s why I don’t think anyone left would push back about having the P2 be included if they left (I hope they don’t). There would be zero funding and the NCAA would be insolvent within a few years.

If March madness was included then it would kinda work but the rest of the sports lose money anyways so that wouldn’t effect the P2 who win the vast majority of those non rev championships already. Might have to add Stanford

 

[1SEIACLONE]

Yeah that’s why I don’t think anyone left would push back about having the P2 be included if they left (I hope they don’t). There would be zero funding and the NCAA would be insolvent within a few years.

If March madness was included then it would kinda work but the rest of the sports lose money anyways so that wouldn’t effect the P2 who win the vast majority of those non rev championships already. Might have to add Stanford

Why wouldn't the ACC, B12, Big East and other conferences push back? If the NCAA allows the SEC and B10 to set up their own league, they are going to loss that money. If they force them to take all their other sports also, they still are going to lose football. The NCAA gets most of the money currently from the BB contract, not FB. Now without the schools in the B10 and SEC, that money would go down, but the other leagues have just as much BB power as the B10 and SEC. Football will be lost to them either way, why allow them to take football away, but allow them to keep playing for championships under the NCAA in the other sports.

How many wrestling schools in the SEC? How many baseball teams are their worth a damn or softball teams in the B10. Not many, and the leagues would have to pick up the nab to run those championships. Breaking away hurts everyone, no one is better off, no matter how much the B10 and SEC talk about how much money they would have by breaking away just football.

 

[BadBoi]

It would for awhile, but then people would start to wonder how that champion would do against Miami, TCU, Clemson from one of the other leagues. You start going to an 10 game conference schedule that adds one more loss on to half the teams in the league, and since that is taking away an out of conference game, the schools that won the game would have most likely beaten that out of conference team anyway.

How soon is it going to take the lesser teams in the league to figure out they have little to no chance of winning the league, and just because Indiana rose up from the ashes, most schools are not going to be able to do it.

Let's face it, the current system is not sustainable for most of the teams going forward. The Athletic had an article today that the UT coach said most schools in their league were paying out at least $30 million in NIL and most were closer to $50 million. He said the top schools in the B10 were also at that amount and a few in the ACC and B12 were also. No way many of the schools in the B1, ACC and B12 are going to be able to come up with that type of dough year after year. Many schools will begin to not even try and just figure its a lost cause and they would be better off spending their limited NIL dollars on MBB. Schools like Purdue, Kansas, ISU and others will take the BB path and spend less and less each year on football NIL.

Miami, Florida State, Clemson, Notre Dame, UNC, maybe UVA, Stanford, Va Tech would go P2. It's a fact those schools are waiting to jump first chance they can. Nobody is going to give validation to a Georgia Tech/Baylor championship over a P2 championship.

Agree with you about us and many other schools focusing on basketball.

 

[cykadelic2]

The B10/SEC championship would be generally viewed as a meaningful championship. Let's not be crazy here. Texas Tech or BYU aren't going to discredit that by being left out.

"Less meaningful" was term I used. not meaningless.

 

[BadBoi]

"Less meaningful" was term I used. not meaningless.

I don't think it would be less meaningful either.

 

[cykadelic2]

No way! 14 people currently involved in athletics!?! Oh my god. And some aren’t even decision makers but student athletes! Well if you have so much overwhelming support of less then a dozen decision makers then this should pass with ease!

Oh wait….

You're again confusing common sense from the college athletics realm (except for Sankey/Petitti) with DC politics, the latest prime example being the Black Caucus using redistricting to blockade SCORE from passing in the House. Obviously unrelated to common sense legislation for college sports. And obviously if Sankey/ESPN and Petitti/Fox weren't such self-serving pricks, Fed intervention wouldn't be required in the first place.

 

[1UNI2ISU]

You're again confusing common sense from the college athletics realm (except for Sankey/Petitti) with DC politics, the latest prime example being the Black Caucus using redistricting to blockade SCORE from passing in the House. Obviously unrelated to common sense legislation for college sports. And obviously if Sankey/ESPN and Petitti/Fox weren't such self-serving pricks, Fed intervention wouldn't be required in the first place.

What?!?!

The top brands have ALWAYS only looked out for themselves. It's a common thread back to the very beginning of college sports.

 

[cykadelic2]

I don't think it would be less meaningful either.

Yes, it would given the intentional and needless destruction of 20-25 schools being involuntarily eliminated.

 

[cykadelic2]

What?!?!

The top brands have ALWAYS only looked out for themselves. It's a common thread back to the very beginning of college sports.

You're again making a needless and irrelevant drama queen point here.

The stakes and negative impact to a high number of schools make things different this time around to the point where Fed intervention is finally necessary to stop the greedy and self-serving pricks from getting their way.