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I would think the Big12 would be there with open arms. Sure the Big12 extension doesn't kick in until a year after the Pac12 ends. But the media partners don't change and the ESPN arrangement is governed by a pro-rata. My guess is ESPN would be happy for Big12 to add 2-4 teams as there would then be 3-5 Big12 teams to fit into ESPN after dark slot.Or you’re the Prez of OSU, WSU, Cal, etc and if this drags on long enough, the other schools will almost be forced to sign a short term extension since it will be too late to join another conference the next year and most will want a 2-3 year notice.
I gotta believe that Oregon and Washington would be a bargain for ESPN/FOX at Big12's pro-rata for extension pricing. So I don't think those 2 schools have to worry about being left out.There is a risk that one of the corner schools will get antsy and make a move without waiting for a deal to be finalized. That would put Oregon and Washington in a tough spot. Do you pursue a Big12 bid or do you try to salvage a further crumbling PAC without a clear TV deal? Yes, they have the name brand, but that only goes so far if you're all alone.
I gotta believe that Oregon and Washington would be a bargain for ESPN/FOX at Big12's pro-rata for extension pricing. So I don't think those 2 schools have to worry about being left out.
I might be reaching here, but would Oregon and Washington in the XII long term cement the XII in the “P3” with BIG + SEC when the ACC inevitably gets raided and loses its largest brands? Or will it always be P2 and then a fight to be the most upper middle class for the others?I gotta believe that Oregon and Washington would be a bargain for ESPN/FOX at Big12's pro-rata for extension pricing. So I don't think those 2 schools have to worry about being left out.
I might be reaching here, but would Oregon and Washington in the XII long term cement the XII in the “P3” with BIG + SEC when the ACC inevitably gets raided and loses its largest brands? Or will it always be P2 and then a fight to be the most upper middle class for the others?
Any PAC collapse with the better PAC schools going to Big 12 cements the Big 12 as the 3rd conference ImoI might be reaching here, but would Oregon and Washington in the XII long term cement the XII in the “P3” with BIG + SEC when the ACC inevitably gets raided and loses its largest brands? Or will it always be P2 and then a fight to be the most upper middle class for the others?
Personally I think the ACC is a small notch above the Big XII when it comes to teams. If the ACC would have a couple teams go to the Big Ten and a couple go to the SEC, then I think the Big XII would be the third in line if they picked up the next best 2 out of that. Oregon and Washington going to the ACC would lock them into 3rd if they didn't lose any teams, but I just don't see that happening. Plus you are talking two teams on way different areas from the rest.I might be reaching here, but would Oregon and Washington in the XII long term cement the XII in the “P3” with BIG + SEC when the ACC inevitably gets raided and loses its largest brands? Or will it always be P2 and then a fight to be the most upper middle class for the others?
Interesting. More Canadian exposure?The Athletic article this morning notes a new suitor in the mix for PAC12 media....the CW. No joke.
Chris Williams is buying the PAC TV rights? Does that mean we get them for free here?The Athletic article this morning notes a new suitor in the mix for PAC12 media....the CW. No joke.
Home of LIV golf and Pac 12 sports.The Athletic article this morning notes a new suitor in the mix for PAC12 media....the CW. No joke.
Definitely if the ACC and Big 12 as they both stand right now were both negotiating new deals I think the ACC would probably be worth more. But if the ACC was at the end of its deal there are enough good brands that SEC and Big 10 would poach that the best of the rest would be better off in the Big 12.Personally I think the ACC is a small notch above the Big XII when it comes to teams. If the ACC would have a couple teams go to the Big Ten and a couple go to the SEC, then I think the Big XII would be the third in line if they picked up the next best 2 out of that. Oregon and Washington going to the ACC would lock them into 3rd if they didn't lose any teams, but I just don't see that happening. Plus you are talking two teams on way different areas from the rest.
I understand that logic. But nobody really knows what college football will structurally look like in 2031, 2036, etc.I understand this position could be foolish, but I don't want any members who don't want to be in the big 12, or believe they SHOULD be somewhere "better". Yes, maybe we should "use the Oregon and Washington brands" for a period of time if that opportunity arose (I don't think it will), maybe they would actually stick long term, but I think they would bring instability and be working against us the whole time.
Yes, if we got a BIG 10 invite tomorrow we would take it, but we understand that isn't happening. I don't want members who don't understand their place, or value our conference.
I think Arizona might value the big 12 more than anyone in this current re-alignment period.
The ACC has better top Brands/teams, but worse bottom brands, by quite a bit. I would say the Pac is that way top to bottom too.Personally I think the ACC is a small notch above the Big XII when it comes to teams. If the ACC would have a couple teams go to the Big Ten and a couple go to the SEC, then I think the Big XII would be the third in line if they picked up the next best 2 out of that. Oregon and Washington going to the ACC would lock them into 3rd if they didn't lose any teams, but I just don't see that happening. Plus you are talking two teams on way different areas from the rest.
I have seen that floated around the last few days, its funny that their own media propagandists are actually putting this out there, and trying to spin it as a positive. It really is getting to sound more and more desperate on their part.The Athletic article this morning notes a new suitor in the mix for PAC12 media....the CW. No joke.
The money differences being what they are, every team in the Big 12 wants to be in the Big 10 or SEC.After what we've been through over the past 10 years and my reliance on anti-depressants, I say invite only those schools who really, really, really want to be in the Big 12. If we can't get to really, really, really want, I'll settle for really.
Otherwise, wake me when this is over.