This is titled about OUT staying in Big 12 then they go right to PAC talk after 3 minutes of OUT talk.
Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)
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Hurt feelings isnt my point. If someone is reluctantly joining they may want to look out for themselves only. Yormark doesnt want people going into buisness for themselves in the conference like Texas did a number of times
Yep. This is the vibe ive gotten from them too.
And you know what, im good with that. I don't want the Pac to not exist. I dont think less conferences is better for the sport. So if they want to hang out there with Oregon and Washington thinking the Big 10 is calling any day now while pretending they're still suprerior then go for it. We'll see how far that gets them
Agree with all of this, and I'll simultaneously laugh at them when they think their conference is equal/better in football or in the same galaxy in basketball (even if it somehow stays the current 10).
With the way Utah fans have been acting I'd be fairly cool with Utah State joining as a junior member
Nobody's going to have the kind of power Texas did in the B12 ever again. They had legitimate options to go elsewhere - PAC, B10, SEC, independent - and used that as leverage to get the rules they wanted. Those rules allowed them to go into business for themselves.
OR and WA have some of that leverage in the PAC right now because they could go to the B12 if they don't get what they want.
But if they pull the trigger and jump to the B12, they don't have any more leverage than the rest of the schools. They'd be no different than anyone else - if a B10/SEC invite came their way, there's nothing the B12 could offer that would get them to stay. But until that invite comes, there's nowhere better to go. It doesn't matter how petulent or reluctant they are, they can't cause that much trouble.
But there were a ton of people on here saying that getting out of the GOR was easy! What gives? I dont get it.
Oh god there was that one poster that couldn’t shut up about the ACC and how as soon as a lawyer got involved their GOR would blow up. As if the conference doesn’t have a battalion of lawyers on staff that came up with the GOR in the first place.But there were a ton of people on here saying that getting out of the GOR was easy! What gives? I dont get it.
I'd imagine that it is more accurate to say that Fox was not satisfied. Why give up 2 years of having OuT unless you're duly compensated?
Yeah, ESPN would want this to happen in ‘24 as they’d have full control of TX and OU rights. It’s 100 percent Fox and I can’t blame them. What is Fox getting out of an early exit?
EXACTLY!! But....
Still none of any part of my post cancels out the other. Even if Oregon and Wash dont want unequal rev, the other factors can still be. And if they do, it would obviously destabilize the PAC beyond repair and would blow it up even faster than the money difference.
For instance the elevator clause still could increase the Big 12 Media contract as much as 60% for adding more P5 teams. That would increase the pay gap of 7M from the 25M they would get in the Pac and the 32M in the Big12 as much as 20M brining the media pay in the Big 12 closer to 55M if they get the full 60% increase. My hypothetical was extremely conservative, but just an example of how the money could become a LOT more than just a few Million very easily when considering a few things, if some of them come into play.
You see, paying the Big12 15M per team more for the added content by adding 4-6 teams is still a win for ESPN. It is still 5-10M per less than for what they are offering the PAC and they would get the content they want. So they can offer as much as a 60% bump for adding more P5 teams in the west. For that window etc. Which would be in the area of 19M. Making the media compensation 50M+ in the Big 12, Not including the other income....that is 25M more than the Media offer on the table as reported for the PAC right now. One thing is it probably is 60% more on the total value then divided by the teams so it would actually be less than 25M more per team. But would still be a Huge raise, for everyone, as it would still be on top of our already 32M.
A couple of these schools may actually be trying to be difficult to purposely sabotage the Pac. Keep in mind if the Pac completely falls apart a few of these teams know they would have a landing spot, and it would be an easier move for them, if the Pac totally implodes. I would never have thought something like that could be a possibility but the last few years have shown anything is possible.
it almost sounds like the ultimatum to OuT was this: give us two non-conference games every year with the Big 12 for x number of years or wait till 2025. I don't think Fox killed this, I think OuT football programs killed this because they didn't want 11 of their 12 games to be against either the SEC or Big 12 programs. I could be wrong, but man, Yormark cornered OuT big time.
It’s possible ESPN wasn’t happy with giving up inventory of games that would normally be played at OUT at Big 12 schools instead to make Fox whole.
But I overall agree that Fox is probably the one who didn’t want to do this.
Oregon and Washingtons options are
1. Stay in the PAC and try to get an unequal revenue share while holding out hopes for a Big 10 invite. Downside is less money possibly and likely not having enough visibility with their new TV deal.
2. Join the Big 12. Revenue probably up but they also dont want to be here that badly it seems. Harder route to playoffs and way more travel.
3. Go independent together with some sort of double negotiation rights or something. 0 clue how profitable that would be if at all and a harder shot to play in the playoff.
4. Do JSBs idea and go to the ACC, which is not happening for a ton of reasons.
