Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)
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Because ASU pres (an ISU alum) has spoken very poorly about the big 12 and AZ hasn't really said much of anything besides Scheer basically pushing for admission.
I think the interest in UA here on the board is driven by the fact the UA seems to be the Pac 12 school most aggressively moving toward the B12. They seem like the best chance to get a foot in the door which opens up other schools.
I think by just about any measure of value to our league, ASU is the better take. I think UA is clearly in the bottom half of the 10 remaining Pac schools. Considering that is the weakest of the P5 conferences, that doesn't say much for UA in the grand scheme of realignment.
Based on who I think the TV Networks will value the most, which is about 80% of the equation. The other considerations being geographic fit and cultural fit.
- Washington
- ASU (Phoenix is 11th largest DMA - 2.16M people)
- Oregon (A better national brand than Utes)
- Utah
- Stanford (Huge TV market SF/SJ is 6th largest)
- Colorado
- Arizona
- Cal
- Oregon State
- Washington State
IMO Stanford & Cal are wildcards- TV Networks might value them more than CU or UA. Could be that Pac12 realignment forces Cal's administration to evaluate whether they want to be P3-5 or go the route of Harvard, Yale, Chicago, etc.
If we do end up getting ASU, I think as a condition of admission, they need to go back to these helmets:
How about a scenario where the ACC does implode. Enough schools somehow junk the conference to invalidate the GOR.
A three or four division super conference of the remaining schools.
A playoff to determine the league champion.
Offering top matchups at any hour for broadcast or online partners. Maybe a 30 team super league
Because this is nothing but business now. Adopt the NFL model and hope to be competitive
I think you have summarized it pretty well.
Personally, I would take both, for the rivalry, for the critical mass of another good state school, and the basketball. There is value to being the best bball league, and any extra couple % we can squeeze anywhere to try to keep pace with the P2 is worth it.
I was just in both Tucson and Phx a couple weeks ago, and lots of guys in UA jerseys out and about, lots of UA helmets and such in bars and stores in Tucson. In Phx you see a lot of ASU t-shirts, car plates, etc. My impression is both schools have good large fan bases. Good fits.
Should look to add UCONN instead. Great basketball program plus could bring back the heated Civil ConFLiCT rivalry.
The B10 will take an even number (0,2,4), otherwise they’d have to either go to 10 or 8 conference games.
2 - WA and Stanford or Cal. Sure, OR has more on-field success, but the B10 makes money off of TV markets (unlike the B12) and Seattle's MSA population is roughly the size of Oregon. The only reason Stanford and Cal are serious possibilities is because of the Bay Area market. You don't need both to get that, it's redundant. Cal only gets in if the CA board of regents can get them to ride UCLA's coat tails, and that's a pretty big if.
4 - WA, OR, Stanford or Cal and TBD. That leaves one spot, and the B10 would probably go for more markets, meaning ASU, CO, or Utah in that order.
6 - Getting to 4 for the B10 was starting to reach, so six would be very, very surprising.
As for the Big XII, adding WA/OR if available would be a great get. Yes, they will be pissy about having to join the Big XII and yes, we did just part ways with the pissiest school out there (Texas). But realistically, they wouldn't have the power that Texas did simply because they could not join whatever conference they chose to like Texas could, otherwise they wouldn't be in the B12. Yes, they'd act like they were doing us all a huge favor and might try to throw their weight around, but at the end of the day it would be eminently clear that if they decided to leave, they'd have nowhere else to go. Everything I said about OR and WA would be exactly the same for Utah.
The B12 probably only takes more than 4 only if both OR and WA are available. That might mean one of the corner schools gets squeezed out by WA/OR if the B10 only takes 2 and it's not both of them. It would make far more sense to leave one on the table rather than take Cal, OR St, or WA St to even up the numbers.
Any of the remaining PAC schools would be a massively better choice than Memphis, SDSU or any other G5. Yes, Cal/OR St/WA St are far better than any G5 school. Hard rule: no G5 additions until after the ACC blows up. They're simply not worth it and not necessary for the Big XII. Sure, SDSU is in a big market, but that's not how the B12 makes its money. San Diego is home to 3.3m people, but 3.2m aren't aware that SDSU plays any sports. If I were a betting man, I'd say less than half the San Diego population could tell you what the B12 was, name any schools, or point out Iowa, Kansas, or Oklahoma on a map.
Don't know if this was posted. Big 10 has an automatic escalator should Notre Dame join in the next 7 years. Only specific school mentioned in the contract.
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New Big Ten TV deals spell out increase in price should Notre Dame join league
CBS, Fox and NBC know exactly how much extra they will have to pay as part of their rights deals with the Big Ten if Notre Dame were to join within seven years.
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Can't have an odd number of teams with 9 conference games. The Big10 had this issue when they had 11 teams. Had to have an even number of games to make the schedule work.
Brett McMurphy said on Finbaum show pac will lose 4 to big ten, 4 to big 12.
Agree…. But we should be required to start using running Cy again as well as bring back the blimp in Hilton and helmet mobile at Fb games. That we got rid of that stuff boggles the mind.
Well as Bo said, “We don’t need Notre Dame. They need us more than we need them.”Don't know if this was posted. Big 10 has an automatic escalator should Notre Dame join in the next 7 years. Only specific school mentioned in the contract.
New Big Ten TV deals spell out increase in price should Notre Dame join league
CBS, Fox and NBC know exactly how much extra they will have to pay as part of their rights deals with the Big Ten if Notre Dame were to join within seven years.
I don't think either needs each other right now. The only way I see "need" coming into the equation is if ND's path to a playoff is threatened by being independent, which is a pretty big "if."
He doesn’t specify in the clip being passed around on Twitter, but if you listen to the full interview he cites 4 more being added on top of USC and UCLA (assuming UO, UW, Stanford, and Cal) to take care of travel concerns and to get to 20 schools. States they’d likely want to do that at the same time as USC and UCLA (before 2023/2024 season).
6 total B10 and 4 total to the Big 12. basically the PAC12 gets left with Org St and WSU. Someone may need to do a wellness check on Bill Walton
