Right, I think in here, we can (mostly) disagree and still be (mostly) civil with each other. I will admit, though, that I got kind of upset yesterday at the story on the news because it talked about the 'outrage' over it, and I thought "when's the last time someone was outraged over the loss of human life?" Rarely anymore. And again, that's not to lessen the complete crappiness of this situation, but it seems like some have gone completely the other way and value animals more than they value humans.
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Right, I think in here, we can (mostly) disagree and still be (mostly) civil with each other. I will admit, though, that I got kind of upset yesterday at the story on the news because it talked about the 'outrage' over it, and I thought "when's the last time someone was outraged over the loss of human life?" Rarely anymore. And again, that's not to lessen the complete crappiness of this situation, but it seems like some have gone completely the other way and value animals more than they value humans.
They ask if you care? First, I'm assuming you're a vegetarian or vegan by that statement. Second, if I have supper with someone, I don't care if you are offended by what I eat. I screwed up and got a stupid mushroom sandwich at a rainforest cafe (so stinking dark in there I could barely read the menu), and it stunk. Somebody else might like it, but unless they are paying for my meal, I don't care.
I get why people feel the need to ask, but I don't think I ever really do anything to make people think they should feel bad. I mean, you could ask Nickels. I'm pretty sure she asked me the first time we got something to eat together.
It's generally a non-issue. Only if a bunch of people are getting a pizza together.
The two situations you mentioned I could see asking, for different reasons though. With nickels, if you are entering a relationship, you have to see if you can be compatible. If one can not stand the other persons preferences, than that could be a deal breaker. If I was to share a pizza, or something else that is hard to definitely separate stuff, then it is wise make sure two people don't order and only one eats. The vegetarian lifestyle would be less difficult to work with, IMO. The vegan one would kill nearly everything out there in restaurants in north iowa. I would struggle to know what wouldn't have some dairy or egg products in it except meat, and that's definitely a no.
Mrs. Velo found one of the younger, newly married gals at work in the break room looking a little upset. Mrs. Velo drops "Are you pregnant?" half jokingly to her and she responds, "I was but I just lost it." Of course Mrs. Velo felt terrible. Actually it turned out to be a good thing because the young gal has someone to talk to about it since Mrs. Velo shared our experiences with that. Her social faux pas ended up being the best thing in the situation.
Would you kill Nickels instead of the gorilla in the same situation? That right there is exactly why people are arguing with you.
Peter Joseph Lenne: A garden journey in the RheinlandOkay, all you German language nerds....something for you to translate. Something about a landscape architect dude designer of this garden in Cologne.
Googled him and he is a famous German landscape architect.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Joseph_Lenné
The landscape architect and Prussian general garden director Peter Joseph Lenne (1789-1866) shaped the garden culture like no one else. Characteristic of the way he formed the gardens are virtuoso pathways, terrain modelling, and the creation of relationship of sight (that was a weird word). Thereby he managed to create the ideal of the Rhenish landscape where he spent his childhood and adolescence.
The second part just talks about how long the exibit will be up and that they want to thank certain people.
I got through the first sentence ok and then I needed to break out the dictionary
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Edit: Whoops, sorry, it had the Cleveland. My memory is failing...
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She already gets made at me when I kill her in hypothetical situations. Now I feel like you're just trying to start a fight!
And to be fair, I wouldn't have killed the kid in that situation. I would have tried to tranq the gorilla. Maybe a slightly higher dose to try to effect it quicker, because worse case scenario there (for the gorilla anyway) is that it dies from too high of a dose, which, you were going to kill it anyway.
The other thing people don't think about is that these zoo keepers, trainers and vets are 24-7 with these animals. They are an extension of their family in many cases based on the relationship they build with them. Choosing to kill the gorilla was similar to asking someone to kill their own family for some kid they don't know. But nobody thinks about that aspect of it. I can't even imagine the mental anguish some of those people are going through having to make that decision.
I don't think you can risk tranqing the gorilla simply because almost always there is a flight or fight reaction from an animal when you tranq it. Even if the gorilla has only a few seconds before it incapacitated it could react and kill the child in less than a second - even if it doesn't mean to. There should definitely be consequences for the child's caregivers, though.
Really sad that it all had to go down.
Really sad that it all had to go down.
I get what you're saying, but even those zoo workers have spouses/significant others/kids that they would put down the gorilla in order to save. The whole thing is unfortunate and blame should be assigned to all parties. In the end, you're choosing between an innocent child with his whole life ahead of him or an animal that should have never been in this situation to begin with. Even people who love animals dearly like Hannah and Corwin agree wholeheartedly that you save the child. None of us have probably spent as much of our lives around wild animals as those two.
Thumbs up for the result, not the situation. That's the thing...of course we feel awkward in those situations, but the most important thing is that they're a chance to connect with another human being. It's not about fixing the situation, it's about being there for the other person. You don't have to say the right thing, you just have to be available.
Oh, and Pants, I'm not trying to put you on the spot about Nickels. Just wanted to give an example that hit closer to home. I'm also guilty (as probably most of us are) of being somewhat desensitized to the loss of human lives at times. We'll watch the news and they'll talk about 100 civilians executed in Syria and sometimes we don't even stop to think about how sad that is. We just move on to the next thing in our busy lives. It sucks.
Well yeah, and as I said in the cave, I don't fault them at all for what they chose to do. Just from a business standpoint alone, you have to make that decision, because your sales will plummet if a person dies from an animal on zoo grounds. I was just saying, in a vacuum, that would be my own personal decision.
I do think there at least needs to be an investigation for child endangerment with the mother, though. I'm not saying she did anything wrong or she's at fault, but I definitely think due diligence needs to be done.
This is true.
Did I reeeaaaallly just wade through around 900 posts I haven't seen since mid Friday?
*sigh* yes.
BTW, waking up to no water on "Monday" because of a water main break is not the way to start your day. So no shower before work today. Add onto that some really weird stuff at work while trying to train someone...was very glad the water was back working by the time I came home.
Thanks! I got the "landscape architect" and "garden director" and was interested because was a landscape architect before I sold out to be a manager geek.
That's a pair of nice bass. Edit I have no idea if those fish are bass, but that is the comment that needed to be made.
No, it's cool. And I'm fully aware that my position is a very extreme position to take. That's why I'm not overly concerned about trying to convince people otherwise. Just trying to show a different viewpoint, that's all. And I agree with Hungus, it's not black and white by any means. It's hard to say a human life is always most valuable when we as a human race have no problems killing our own. What does that say about us?
In my generation no one talked about it, and my mother had already passed away. I felt SO alone. I'm so glad Mrs Velo was there for the young woman...
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