I think you're overestimating our position on hiring a good coach after the Gmac fiasco. We couldn't even get any decent takers after LE got canned and Morgan got it by default (and he actually did a good job, giving us one of the better 3 year periods in ISU basketball history). Do you really think we were going to get any decent candidates with the horrible situation we were in when Gmac left? Fred said he expressed interest in the job when GMac was hired. Do you really think JP had any options anywhere close to as good as Fred 5 years later when Creighton saved us from the GMac era? Many of us on this board said hiring Fred was a no brainer before he was hired, you can check on that. Just don't see how hiring Fred was any stroke of genius at all. In fact if JP hadn't hired Fred when everybody found out Fred wanted the job, JP may have been run out of town.
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I think you're overestimating our position on hiring a good coach after the Gmac fiasco. We couldn't even get any decent takers after LE got canned and Morgan got it by default (and he actually did a good job, giving us one of the better 3 year periods in ISU basketball history). Do you really think we were going to get any decent candidates with the horrible situation we were in when Gmac left? Fred said he expressed interest in the job when GMac was hired. Do you really think JP had any options anywhere close to as good as Fred 5 years later when Creighton saved us from the GMac era? Many of us on this board said hiring Fred was a no brainer before he was hired, you can check on that. Just don't see how hiring Fred was any stroke of genius at all. In fact if JP hadn't hired Fred when everybody found out Fred wanted the job, JP may have been run out of town.
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This thread has been round the world. Was supposed to discuss QBs but went into ripping on Rhoads. Now, an uneducated troll is after JP and how non-special he's been as AD.
This thread has been round the world. Was supposed to discuss QBs but went into ripping on Rhoads. Now, an uneducated troll is after JP and how non-special he's been as AD.
Tell me any other coach in ISU history in any sport with a 3 year record like Morgan's, including his post season wins, that would have even been considered for firing. And yes, JP using the phony scheduling flap (which the NCAA said wasn't worth investigating) was a very low class move imo. The players didn't like it and most of the good ones quit or transferred, so a mess was created for GMac before he even got here. That's on JP. Maybe if JP had put more money into wrestling and less into cross country, track, and huge raises for failing coaches like Chiz and GMac we might have been able to keep Cael, who knows. And many of us thought Brian Kelly would have been the smarter hire than Chiz, who reminded me of the Donnie Duncan hire. But even Duncan's year's glow when put next to the Chiz era. Make all the excuses you want about how Chiz and GMac were good hires in your opinion, the fact is they turned out to be two of the worst hires in ISU history, and it took Auburn and Creighton to save us from those disasterous hires.
Hmmm. Uneducated? Myself, my wife, and my two sons all went to ISU and 3 of us are alums, including my uneducated self. We've had season football and basketball tickets for over 40 years, so I think my devotion to ISU runs a little deeper than most. I've learned that not worshipping JP gets you skinned by some of his internet warriors (some I assume are in the athletic department). But I will continue to give my opinion on what he does and how it affects ISU, especially when I don't think he's doing what's best for ISU, so get used to it and try to add something "educated" instead of name calling.
Idk how you can think Chizik and GMac were bad hires at the time. You cannot predict how they are going to be for the university. GMac is a good coach, he just was not ready for big time athletes that you get at Big 12 schools. Chizik was one of the hottest assistants in the country when he came to us. Also if Morgan was so great and didn't deserve to get fired, why hasn't he had a head coaching gig since? There is a reason why he was installing Directv at prisons instead of coaching.
You make some good points and I've never said JP hasn't done some good things, and fund raising is one of them to a degree. But a lot of donations will come no matter who the A.D. is. Most big donations come when an alum has plenty of money and the timing is right for them to make the donation. 5-6 years ago we were set to get a big donation to do the south end zone, but that fell thru very likely because things didn't work out for the person who was going to donate for some reason or another. Maybe the timing wasn't right, but I don't blame JP for that falling thru any more than I give him a lot of credit for the Reiman's making their big donation. Very wealthy alums make big donations when the timing is right for them and I doubt who the a.d is makes a lot of difference. We have also benefitted greatly from the Big 12 tv contract, and that's a sign of the times more than anything the individual a.d's have done. Our football facilities have been greatly improved, but that was bound to happen as the tv money has exploded and thankfully some of our alums are making a lot of money.
Just because you went to ISU a long time ago, doesn't mean you're right about JP...
Morgan was a bad coach. That's why he was shown the door.
There could be a lot of reasons. Morgan was almost 60 years old and maybe he didn't want to start over and rebuild a program at his age. Maybe he wanted to stay in Ames and give private business a try (which he did). I only know and care about what he did while he was our head coach, taking over the LE mess and giving us 3 winning seasons and 4 post season wins in 3 years, which was very good in ISU basketball history. I've stated (and I did at the time) that I thought Kelly was a smarter hire because he had experience as a head coach, and though Chiz was the glitzy hire, he hadn't been a head coach and had been an assistant where he had the best athletes to work with, something he wouldn't have at ISU. I just never was a GMac fan, partly because he tore into Homan. Morgan beat GMac's best 3 UNI teams 2 out of 3 times, so why would we fire Morgan to bring in GMac.
And replaced with a coach he had beat 2 out of 3 times, and went on to give us 5 straight losing seasons. Great move.
Just off the top of my head I think we beat Iowa 5 years in a row in football and got to the elite 8 in basketball. Now I have no doubt Fred will get us there again and probably beyond that.
I've had a little time to look it up and under Van De Velde we went to 5 bowl games and won two of them, and beat Iowa 5 straight. In basketball we had only one losing season and won a regular season conference title, and made the NCAA twice, winning once under Morgan. I didn't bring up Van De Velde vs JP and I'm not saying Van De Velde was better than JP, but when you compare the records in the big 2, especially the big money maker football, you could argue that he was.
Are you nuts? Did Bruce hire McCarney? No. Did Bruce hire Larry? No. He did hire CJL in Volleyball, so good for him there.
Bruce was here from 2000-2005. We did not beat Iowa 5 straight years during his tenure. He also is responsible for the LE debacle, because he had no clue how to handle it.
Oh, and JP might have hired Brian Kelly, if Kelly had actually wanted the job. By all accounts I've read, JP offered the job to Kelly first, but he was holding out for the Cincy gig. That's right, Cincy. JP was forced to move on to his 2nd choice, which was Chizik, who everyone thought was a homerun hire out of the gate.
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Just stop already. Anyone with any sense whatsoever knows Pollard is a strong AD. Frankly, we are lucky to still have him at this point. In fact, I would not be surprised if a major school steals him away from us sometime over the next 2 to 4 years. AD's are not judged on wins and losses alone. They have a complex job description that involves way more than just hring and firing coaches. To Pollard's credit he has shown an ability to energize a fan base and to dramatically improve facilities and perception of our school's athletic programs during his tenure. You people on this board are nitpicking a few individual coaching hires and really not seeing the big picture. For the record, I do not intend to list off all the positive things Pollard has done here, in particular, because if you can't understand it at this point already, I am trying to enlighten the wrong audience.
CYKOFAN, all that matters is this:
2013: 55,361
2012: 55,274
2011: 53,647
2010: 45,395
2009: 46,242
2008: 47,429
2007: 49,462
2006: 46,171
2005: 46,705 (JP's first year)
New videoboard, new SEZ, JP was a leader in the Big 12 during realignment, new facilities in a lot of sports I don't really care about, but it's good anyway I guess.
He's a top level AD.
One of the biggest things a lot of people don't think about is how he has changed ISU's presence in social media and dealing with the media. It's the biggest difference between ISU and Iowa and how they handle things IMO.
Things like that movie night at JTS are great and will pay off in the future and our fanbase will keep expanding rapidly.
2013: 55,361
2012: 55,274
2011: 53,647
2010: 45,395
2009: 46,242
2008: 47,429
2007: 49,462
2006: 46,171
2005: 46,705 (JP's first year)
New videoboard, new SEZ, JP was a leader in the Big 12 during realignment, new facilities in a lot of sports I don't really care about, but it's good anyway I guess.
He's a top level AD.
One of the biggest things a lot of people don't think about is how he has changed ISU's presence in social media and dealing with the media. It's the biggest difference between ISU and Iowa and how they handle things IMO.
Things like that movie night at JTS are great and will pay off in the future and our fanbase will keep expanding rapidly.
Maybe you know more than the local media, but it was reported around DM-Ames that Kelly was waiting for the call from JP that never came. Just where did you read that Kelly turned down the ISU job because all the local media was reporting that Kelly would be offered the job and was going to be the next ISU coach right up to the day JP announced Chiz would be our next coach. But some figured JP liked to fool the media and just led them to believe that he wanted Kelly while he really wanted Chizik. I've never heard Kelly was offered the job first, and where did you read that? And I was in Iowa City when BVD reamed out the Big 12 refs at halftime as they came down to the southeast tunnel, and we got a differently refereed 2nd half and came back from a 24-10 deficit to win with Seneca putting on a show. We were holding out our hands showing 5 in a row to the hawk fans as we left the stadium, and I thought all 5 were under BVD, what was it, 4? I was responding to the guy who said compare BVD's 6 years to JP's, and I was pointing out that the 6 years under BVD were actually better in football than the JP era has been, and that's the truth. BVD didn't get the chance to hire anybody in football, we went to 5 bowl games during his 6 years. We were also having a lot of success in basketball and his only chance to hire a basketball coach was Morgan after the LE scandal. Blame the handling of that on BVD if you want, but opinions were all over the place on what should be done, and most of it was to get rid of LE. BVD's only chance to hire a football or basketball coach was Morgan, and I'll compare BVD's first basketball hire to JP's first hire all day long if you want to. And I promise I won't call you nuts, accuse you of having a head injury, or any of the other things I've been called by JP's internet warriors.
Now I know what BVD's new CF username is. Was cy1225 (confirmed) and now he's created a new profile.
Welcome back!
Here I've been ignoring this thread and come to find out it's an AD thread. Who knew?
I don't expect you to understand, but only BVD himself would think that his tenure was more successful than Pollard's.
Some of that was out of BVD's control, but that's the way these things go.
I know that the popular opinion these days on message boards is that Rhoads is not a good coach and I won't get into all of that. But the fact remains that Rhoads has energized the fan base unlike McCareny ever did. And that has lead to YEARS of home football crowds over 50,000 per game and finishing of the south end zone. And I maintain that Rhoads is a good coach
The one thing that Jamie has done is acted like Iowa State shouldn't have to take a back seat to anyone. He's realistic about Iowa State, but he's made us believe. Bruce never did.
