Quarterback Situation

[RustShack]

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It's about time there's some positive outlook. Everyone seems to think the wheels are falling off. The biggest challenges/struggles this year will be on the defensive side of the ball.

And there is plenty of young talent. We have a wizard in Wally and CPR isn't bad himself when it comes to defense. We are in good hands. A competent offense will be HUGE for the defense. They won't have to try to constantly save the offense, and they should also get more breathers assuming we have an offense that can stay on the field.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

So we pay a st coach 2.5 mill a year?

Yes, that's exactly what I said.... Dense much?

 

[CycloneErik]

Yes, that's exactly what I said.... Dense much?

It's not far from it. Rather than describing CPR as a motivator, strategist, or anything else HC related, you specified that he's a strong position coach.


One quote from your post here makes his question a fair one: "The fact that Rhoads will be coaching more specialized now is probably our biggest asset. "

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

So I'm confused. Having Paul Rhoads as a position coach is a bad thing because we pay him 2.5 mil a year? Obviously he is the head coach, but people think that success is built on only the HC's back. If you don't have good position coaches you never had a chance in hell in the first place.

I think we pay Rhoads what we need to pay him to get the job done, and win. If that means he needs to be more hands on and position oriented than so be it. Only side of the ball that's been consistently good for ISU has been Special teams. Not only that special teams usually consists of kids who are young and are still maturing, I can't think of a better place to have your best asset.

If you guys want to down play special teams it only shows your ignorance, and especially if you think that paying Rhoads what we pay him is too much.

 

[bigdaddykane]

Im sorry but im just not excited for football. Ready for basketball season

I want basketball season too, but there is nothing better then spending a whole saturday tailgating and watching some football.

 

[CycloneErik]

So I'm confused. Having Paul Rhoads as a position coach is a bad thing because we pay him 2.5 mil a year? Obviously he is the head coach, but people think that success is built on only the HC's back. If you don't have good position coaches you never had a chance in hell in the first place.

I think we pay Rhoads what we need to pay him to get the job done, and win. If that means he needs to be more hands on and position oriented than so be it. Only side of the ball that's been consistently good for ISU has been Special teams. Not only that special teams usually consists of kids who are young and are still maturing, I can't think of a better place to have your best asset.

If you guys want to down play special teams it only shows your ignorance, and especially if you think that paying Rhoads what we pay him is too much.

Nobody is downplaying special teams. You're kind of flying wild here with responses.

If you're argument is that his best asset as a head coach is his ability to work as a position coach, that raises questions about what you're arguing.
Nobody yet has said that he should not be involved with special teams. It's just very strange to say that a head coach's best attribute is his position coaching.

 

[Section110]

So I'm confused. Having Paul Rhoads as a position coach is a bad thing because we pay him 2.5 mil a year? Obviously he is the head coach, but people think that success is built on only the HC's back. If you don't have good position coaches you never had a chance in hell in the first place.

I think we pay Rhoads what we need to pay him to get the job done, and win. If that means he needs to be more hands on and position oriented than so be it. Only side of the ball that's been consistently good for ISU has been Special teams. Not only that special teams usually consists of kids who are young and are still maturing, I can't think of a better place to have your best asset.

If you guys want to down play special teams it only shows your ignorance, and especially if you think that paying Rhoads what we pay him is too much.

How many special teams coaches get promoted to become a head coach? Not very many. Sorry but if you don't see the awkwardness involved in what you said then I'm not sure what to tell you.

It's just a weird scenario. Everyone knows Rhoads didn't do well at all when he was poking his nose in on the offense. Wally is in charge of the D. It's not often you see a situation where the head coach is basically asked to stay away from the offense, and help out elsewhere. I've even seen people suggest ISU hire Mangino if or when Rhoads is let go... How strange is that? An offensive coordinator who hasn't even been at the school for a single season is suddenly the next head coaching candidate in some people's eyes?

This is the first time I've even looked at it from this perspective because of the conversation you were having. It does seem like an interesting situation, and that's probably the most polite way it could be put.

 

[Luth4Cy]

How many special teams coaches get promoted to become a head coach? Not very many. Sorry but if you don't see the awkwardness involved in what you said then I'm not sure what to tell you.

It's just a weird scenario. Everyone knows Rhoads didn't do well at all when he was poking his nose in on the offense. Wally is in charge of the D. It's not often you see a situation where the head coach is basically asked to stay away from the offense, and help out elsewhere. I've even seen people suggest ISU hire Mangino if or when Rhoads is let go... How strange is that? An offensive coordinator who hasn't even been at the school for a single season is suddenly the next head coaching candidate in some people's eyes?

This is the first time I've even looked at it from this perspective because of the conversation you were having. It does seem like an interesting situation, and that's probably the most polite way it could be put.

The offense wasn't really doing all that well when Rhoads wasn't poking his head around it either.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

You're telling me that you guys think Rhoads is why our offense was bad and not Messingham? To imply that a HC's best attribute being his position coaching ability is awkward is strange to me considering all coaches start as position coaches. No one is born a HC. There are many things that go into being a head coach, I don't understand why it should be cavalier to think that a HC best attributes can be his position coaching especially when you would want him to be able to correct for any position on the field.

Just because I'm not spouting the same crap about him being a good motivator and how much he cares about the kids I'm way off base? I would have thought those things were pretty obvious by now.

How about focusing on which side of the ball has had success consistently the entirety of Rhoads career. We have been getting onside kicks and converting fake punts and so on for quite a while now. He is in charge of that, among many things. I don't think you can point your finger at Rhoads for anything besides hiring Messingham, and hind sight is 20/20.

 

[Rabbuk]

I'm saying Rhoad's should bring more to the table than not hindering his OC and DC and being able to coach special teams. Not really seeing that the last 5 years. A head coach should have some sort of cohesive meta-plan.

 

[Frak]

First off, I think that 110 has trouble distinguishing between excuses and fact. It's a fact that ISU has had a very tough schedule recently. It's also a fact that they had a ton of OL injuries last year. I'm guessing that if iowa would have had the same OL injury problems last year, they would not have made a bowl. Heck, look at 2012 when they lost two OLs in the same game...Sherff and another...they went 4-8, a measly one game better than ISU last year. I think that a lot of people place WAY too much importance on what happened last and seem to forget anything before that.

That said, 2013 was a horrible season for ISU. And CPR has a big part of the blame. He was forced to make staff changes. Who knows whether that decision came from Pollard or CPR just did it to keep his gig. Doesn't really matter. If somehow, ISU goes 3-9 or 4-8 this season, CPR will enter 2015 squarely on the hotseat. If he gets to 5-7 or 6-6 or better, that shows some positive momentum. 2015 is going to be the telltale year. They're going to have a new SEZ and a lot of fan excitement for that. If it's not a bowl season at minimum, fans are going to want Pollard to drop the axe. I don't think that we'll get to that point, but that's where we are. I think that CPR has earned a couple of years to turn it around. ISU fans should expect to be in the 5-7 to 7-5 range every year. One year below that is not a fireable offense. Two years in a row below that is hotseat. Three below is probably fired.

 

[Thomasrickj]

First off, I think that 110 has trouble distinguishing between excuses and fact. It's a fact that ISU has had a very tough schedule recently. It's also a fact that they had a ton of OL injuries last year. I'm guessing that if iowa would have had the same OL injury problems last year, they would not have made a bowl. Heck, look at 2012 when they lost two OLs in the same game...Sherff and another...they went 4-8, a measly one game better than ISU last year. I think that a lot of people place WAY too much importance on what happened last and seem to forget anything before that.

That said, 2013 was a horrible season for ISU. And CPR has a big part of the blame. He was forced to make staff changes. Who knows whether that decision came from Pollard or CPR just did it to keep his gig. Doesn't really matter. If somehow, ISU goes 3-9 or 4-8 this season, CPR will enter 2015 squarely on the hotseat. If he gets to 5-7 or 6-6 or better, that shows some positive momentum. 2015 is going to be the telltale year. They're going to have a new SEZ and a lot of fan excitement for that. If it's not a bowl season at minimum, fans are going to want Pollard to drop the axe. I don't think that we'll get to that point, but that's where we are. I think that CPR has earned a couple of years to turn it around. ISU fans should expect to be in the 5-7 to 7-5 range every year. One year below that is not a fireable offense. Two years in a row below that is hotseat. Three below is probably fired.

You're a lot more patient than me. The fact that he went way downhill last year makes me feel like if he doesn't make a bowl game that CPR is out the door.

 

[Stormin]

You're a lot more patient than me. The fact that he went way downhill last year makes me feel like if he doesn't make a bowl game that CPR is out the door.

That is doubtful. For one thing, Rhoads is under contract till 2021. For another, I really don't see a replacement out there who can overcome the challenges at ISU any better than what Rhoads can. We had a bad season last year with lots of injuries and youth. Things are improving and will continue to improve. Rhoads at least has had some success and led ISU to some epic wins.

Yes. I am more patient than you. I have waited for 30 years for a coach like Rhoads to come along. I thought Mac was the one, but the window closed after having some success. He could not get good assistants and recruiting was looking terrible in Mac's last year. So what will the naysayers say when we have a breakout season in 2015. I am predicting they will jump on the bandwagon and say that they knew we could do it.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

I can understand wanting more from your head coach, and believe me I was very critical of Rhoads before these hires. They were all pretty much home runs IMO. I think you're over simplifying what I'm trying to say. As far as I'm concerned all HC better be good position coaches because like I said you need to make adjustments anywhere on the field. If there is one thing I would point at Rhoads its his leniency with the Mess.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

First off, I think that 110 has trouble distinguishing between excuses and fact. It's a fact that ISU has had a very tough schedule recently. It's also a fact that they had a ton of OL injuries last year. I'm guessing that if iowa would have had the same OL injury problems last year, they would not have made a bowl. Heck, look at 2012 when they lost two OLs in the same game...Sherff and another...they went 4-8, a measly one game better than ISU last year. I think that a lot of people place WAY too much importance on what happened last and seem to forget anything before that.

That said, 2013 was a horrible season for ISU. And CPR has a big part of the blame. He was forced to make staff changes. Who knows whether that decision came from Pollard or CPR just did it to keep his gig. Doesn't really matter. If somehow, ISU goes 3-9 or 4-8 this season, CPR will enter 2015 squarely on the hotseat. If he gets to 5-7 or 6-6 or better, that shows some positive momentum. 2015 is going to be the telltale year. They're going to have a new SEZ and a lot of fan excitement for that. If it's not a bowl season at minimum, fans are going to want Pollard to drop the axe. I don't think that we'll get to that point, but that's where we are. I think that CPR has earned a couple of years to turn it around. ISU fans should expect to be in the 5-7 to 7-5 range every year. One year below that is not a fireable offense. Two years in a row below that is hotseat. Three below is probably fired.

Thank you. Finally someone with reasonable expectations.

 

[Aclone]

It's just a weird scenario. Everyone knows Rhoads didn't do well at all when he was poking his nose in on the offense. Wally is in charge of the D. It's not often you see a situation where the head coach is basically asked to stay away from the offense, and help out elsewhere. I've even seen people suggest ISU hire Mangino if or when Rhoads is let go... How strange is that? An offensive coordinator who hasn't even been at the school for a single season is suddenly the next head coaching candidate in some people's eyes?

They do? Do you believe everything you read on message boards?

 

[CycloneVet]

In all reality, it doesn't probably matter all that much who starts between Sam or Grant. I think they both probably give us an equal chance at winning.... which isn't that great IMO. I haven't seen enough from either of them to feel much confidence in either one at this point.

What I'm saying is, I think it's pretty evident that neither one is the next Sage Rosenfels or Seneca Wallace. They are what they are. Hopefully it's enough for Mangino to win with.

My biggest hope for the future of ISU football is that DLC ends up being the real deal. QB has just been a huge mess on this team at least since Rhoads has been here. Not enough talent, and the position has been handled and coached poorly too.

How did Sage look as a sophomore? Did he play?

 

[Stormin]

I'm saying Rhoad's should bring more to the table than not hindering his OC and DC and being able to coach special teams. Not really seeing that the last 5 years. A head coach should have some sort of cohesive meta-plan.

How do you know that he doesn't?

 

[Luth4Cy]

How did Sage look as a sophomore? Did he play?

The nice way to put it is he wasn't anything special. He completed 3 of 9 passes while playing the backup role to Todd Bandhauer. For more reference, Bandhauer's numbers weren't anything special either.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/sage-rosenfels-1.html

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/todd-bandhauer-1.html

 

[Stormin]

The nice way to put it is he wasn't anything special. He completed 3 of 9 passes while playing the backup role to Todd Bandhauer. For more reference, Bandhauer's numbers weren't anything special either.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/sage-rosenfels-1.html

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/todd-bandhauer-1.html

I believe in Bandhauer's Freshman season that McCarney sent him in for one series or one play near the end of the season and it burned a year of Bandhauer's eligibility. Otherwise it is doubtful that Sage would have even started as a junior.