Preseason AP Top 25 Poll Released

Ok I bit, and read the article. And this was a bad decision.


“Overrated: No. 7 Iowa State
There's no doubt that the Cyclones are one of the chic picks to make a run at the College Football Playoff after returning a medium-sized village of starters including star running back Breece Hall and quarterback Brock Purdy. Let's tap the brakes on that just a bit, though. While the 'Clones will be a tough out yet again this year thanks to experience and the coaching acumen of Matt Campbell, ranking them ahead of more talented teams like Notre Dame and Oregon is just a tad bit aggressive. I had Iowa State in my CBS Sports 130 ballot. Nothing against Iowa State as a program ... I just don't see it playing at the same level as the big boys in 2021.”

Like are you f*cking kidding me? Big boys?? What a f*cking assclown. That does even make any damn bit of sense. Why not just explicitly say, “The name Iowa State in the poll is too high because it’s the name. I kiss the ass of blue blood programs and actually have not done my research. In other news, I was also breast fed till I was 12.”

Yeah, that's funny. Oregon still isn't walking quite right after what ISU did to them in the Fiesta Bowl. I don't care what else happens. 43 to 17 in ToP is still just incredible to see.
 
Ok I bit, and read the article. And this was a bad decision.


“Overrated: No. 7 Iowa State
There's no doubt that the Cyclones are one of the chic picks to make a run at the College Football Playoff after returning a medium-sized village of starters including star running back Breece Hall and quarterback Brock Purdy. Let's tap the brakes on that just a bit, though. While the 'Clones will be a tough out yet again this year thanks to experience and the coaching acumen of Matt Campbell, ranking them ahead of more talented teams like Notre Dame and Oregon is just a tad bit aggressive. I had Iowa State in my CBS Sports 130 ballot. Nothing against Iowa State as a program ... I just don't see it playing at the same level as the big boys in 2021.”

Like are you f*cking kidding me? Big boys?? What a f*cking assclown. That does even make any damn bit of sense. Why not just explicitly say, “The name Iowa State in the poll is too high because it’s the name. I kiss the ass of blue blood programs and actually have not done my research. In other news, I was also breast fed till I was 12.”

Iowa State's first two f*ck your mother drives they put down Oregon's throat would like a word.
 
Ok I bit, and read the article. And this was a bad decision.


“Overrated: No. 7 Iowa State
There's no doubt that the Cyclones are one of the chic picks to make a run at the College Football Playoff after returning a medium-sized village of starters including star running back Breece Hall and quarterback Brock Purdy. Let's tap the brakes on that just a bit, though. While the 'Clones will be a tough out yet again this year thanks to experience and the coaching acumen of Matt Campbell, ranking them ahead of more talented teams like Notre Dame and Oregon is just a tad bit aggressive. I had Iowa State in my CBS Sports 130 ballot. Nothing against Iowa State as a program ... I just don't see it playing at the same level as the big boys in 2021.”

Like are you f*cking kidding me? Big boys?? What a f*cking assclown. That does even make any damn bit of sense. Why not just explicitly say, “The name Iowa State in the poll is too high because it’s the name. I kiss the ass of blue blood programs and actually have not done my research. In other news, I was also breast fed till I was 12.”
I'm curious what metric he's using the establish "more talented."

Name recognition? Can't argue that.

Recruiting rankings? Sure.

Casual fan perception? Okay.

Results on the field? Sure, Notre Dame handled ISU, but that was two years ago. Those guys are mostly gone for ND, and our guys are seniors now. As for Oregon, the Fiesta Bowl wasn't even as close as the score indicated, and 34-17 isn't really that close.

Detailed analytics and prior production? Nope.

Expectations for 2021? I'll point to ISUs four first-team All Americans. Oregon and ND combine for 2 first teamers and 1 second teamer.
 
I'm curious what metric he's using the establish "more talented."

Name recognition? Can't argue that.

Recruiting rankings? Sure.

Casual fan perception? Okay.

Results on the field? Sure, Notre Dame handled ISU, but that was two years ago. Those guys are mostly gone for ND, and our guys are seniors now. As for Oregon, the Fiesta Bowl wasn't even as close as the score indicated, and 34-17 isn't really that close.

Detailed analytics and prior production? Nope.

Expectations for 2021? I'll point to ISUs four first-team All Americans. Oregon and ND combine for 2 first teamers and 1 second teamer.
Recruiting rankings are a fickle mistress.
 
I'm curious what metric he's using the establish "more talented."

Name recognition? Can't argue that.

Recruiting rankings? Sure.

Casual fan perception? Okay.

Results on the field? Sure, Notre Dame handled ISU, but that was two years ago. Those guys are mostly gone for ND, and our guys are seniors now. As for Oregon, the Fiesta Bowl wasn't even as close as the score indicated, and 34-17 isn't really that close.

Detailed analytics and prior production? Nope.

Expectations for 2021? I'll point to ISUs four first-team All Americans. Oregon and ND combine for 2 first teamers and 1 second teamer.

Our game with Oregon was as dominant as a 30 point blowout, and that's clear to anyone who watched the game
 
They talk about Oregon's strength at QB. That seems strange to me since they got inconsistent play from both QBs last year including the one who is back with their team this year. Purdy was at times inconsistent but not more inconsistent than their QBs last year.
 
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I thought it was pretty clear that the ball hit out of bounds before hitting the pylon. I agree that it was pretty impossible to overturn live but with the ability to slow it down and watch it back and forth. He wasn't in and I stand by that.

Indiana didn't beat a winning team until Wisconsin became one at the end. **** them to a million suns

It’s not about if the ball hit the pylon before hitting out of bound. Did the nose of the football breach the goal line before touching out of bounds? I think it’s entirely possible it did but you really can’t confirm one way or the other. It was definitely the right call to have the play upheld.
 
It’s not about if the ball hit the pylon before hitting out of bound. Did the nose of the football breach the goal line before touching out of bounds? I think it’s entirely possible it did but you really can’t confirm one way or the other. It was definitely the right call to have the play upheld.

Oh, interesting. I never thought about the pylon. I always thought that the nose of the ball broke the plane before hitting the pylon.
 
I'm curious what metric he's using the establish "more talented."

.........Results on the field? Sure, Notre Dame handled ISU, but that was two years ago. Those guys are mostly gone for ND, and our guys are seniors now.....

And compared to two years ago the Cyclones will be bigger and more conditioned. That ND game showed CMC that he needed to upgrade his S&C coaching, and we'll see the results of that this year.
 
It’s not about if the ball hit the pylon before hitting out of bound. Did the nose of the football breach the goal line before touching out of bounds? I think it’s entirely possible it did but you really can’t confirm one way or the other. It was definitely the right call to have the play upheld.

Well I guess I am saying the ball doesn't cross the plane before the pylon as well then
 
News flash. There are epic meltdowns on this board after every loss. Always have been, always will be.

And trailing at halftimes isn’t very pretty, either.

Not getting a TD on the first possession of a game = here we go! Multiple “player name?” Threads started, hundreds of OC/play calling posts, threads and posts inquiring about covered up injuries, etc.

Very pathetic.
 
ND fans are in for a rude awakening this year. Book was a bit of a whipping boy for years, but that guy was a gamer. They are replacing him with Coan, the transfer from Wisconsin. He might be fine, but the weight of the offense ND put on Book was not in the same planet as Coan, or any of the other Wisconsin QBs. Coan wasn't terrible, but it's a big unknown. There aren't too many offenses in the country that ask their QB to do less than Wisconsin. But who knows. Getting turned loose and having the freedom to make some mistakes can be a big win or a disaster depending on the guy.

As an ND fan, I loved Ian Book but a lot of his plays resulted from missing obvious reads and wide open receivers. Too often he would put his head down and scramble instead of looking for his 2nd or 3rd option. I am optimistic about Coan in that he seems to be able to throw the ball down the field with some accuracy and he's quicker than expected on the run. Two years ago it killed me having to watch my alma mater (ND) pound my parents' school(ISU) but I think Iowa State is light years better than two seasons ago. That was just a bad matchup for ISU in that Notre Dame was content taking what ISU's defense gave them which was 4-5 yards a play and one on one with ND's big receivers.
 

Iowa State listed as an overrated team. we'll see a lot of this i'm sure. mentions Purdy inconsistency as their reason for not fully believing. can't argue a ton with that.

but i love that we are starting top 10, cause we've seen that matters for getting into playoffs later or whatever bowl it is. unfortunately pre season rankings actually do matter. first time getting this kind of advantage for us.

add another chip on the shoulder.
After the Clemson vs Georgia game on first week of season, one of these teams drops out of top 10. We move up with win over Iowa.
 
After the Clemson vs Georgia game on first week of season, one of these teams drops out of top 10. We move up with win over Iowa.
You are assuming someone like Cincy, ND, NC, Oregon or Wisky doesn't beat the **** out of some hapless opponent and half of the AP voters lose their minds and leapfrog the team over ISU.

You know what happens when you assume...
 
After the Clemson vs Georgia game on first week of season, one of these teams drops out of top 10. We move up with win over Iowa.

Unless its a lopsided game neither should drop out of the top 10. Losing a competitive game against a top 5 opponent shouldn't be a ding to the resume