I would actually be in favor of this move, although I have nightmares of hearing "flynn on the keeper" over and over again.
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I would actually be in favor of this move, although I have nightmares of hearing "flynn on the keeper" over and over again.
IMO Hoiberg was a very different case. The guy had front office experience at the NBA level and it sounds like he wanted to become a coach for a very long time. Because of that he spent a lot of time watching coaches and taking his coaching style from them. He also made sure that he had a guy on his staff that made up for his inexperience as a head coach.
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Sage has been around a ton of offenses. He met with JP, which I assume is because he is interested in coaching somewhere. Also, Sage would be surrounded by coaches with plenty of experience. I agree both are completely different situations between Hoiberg and a guy like Sage, but I feel like it would be more difficult to come in and be a head coach, in basketball, where you have a huge role in every aspect of the game. An OC does not have to worry about as many small things as a head coach of basketball. All Sage really has to know is what offenses work against what defenses, which is a much easier task in my mind.
Don't get me wrong I would love to have someone with experience, but becoming an OC as your first stint would appear to be easier than being a head coach of basketball.
He is a bright guy and it will be interesting to see what Rhoads does. I trust Rhoads so I'm sure he will make the right decision for the team. I'm also one of the few though that thinks Messingham does have a lot of potential as an OC and play caller though. IMO an experiment with Sage as OC is would most likely happen if we have Co-OC's. In saying that I'm not sure being a Co-OC means a lot, it's still only one guy calling the play.
Well I am one who is completely against Mess being our OC lol. I think he is a great position coach and that is it. I want a coach who is coaching to what he knows. I feel like Mess is a coach who came up as a coach who understands a system where the QB is under center, but not one who knows how to take advantage of spacing with a spread.
I can't say I completely disagree with you on that. I could see Sturdy as our OC, however I feel like Sturdy already has a lot of say in our system. By that I believe it might be Sturdy calling the shots of the game with the scripted plays on the first couple drives, which are often when we have the most success, and then the rest of the game it is Mess trying to be Sturdy and being very unsuccessful at it.
Haha. I thought Luth4Cy was a coach and that's why I was asking his opinion on why Sage being a QB coach would stun him and also why I prefaced it with I don't have a lot of experience with coaching or football schemes (cross country/track are different story). No need to be condescending about it.
What is with your boner for Sage becoming a coach? Maybe he met with JP to do stuff for Cyclones.tv or the radio network. If he is brought in off the street to be the OC, I stop contributing because that is the most bonehead move since Chizik hired his friends as OC/DC.
Let me get this straight
We hire Mess and half of you bring out the pitchforks because he had no D-1 OC experience
But now we throw out the name Sage Rosenfels, a guy with no coaching experience at any level, and suddenly is the next coming of our savior?
This board sometimes... I swear...
We hire Mess and half of you bring out the pitchforks because he had no D-1 OC experience
But now we throw out the name Sage Rosenfels, a guy with no coaching experience at any level, and suddenly is the next coming of our savior?
This board sometimes... I swear...
Hearing Sage was back and talking to JP made me wonder last fall. At the time with QB controversy I was hoping something was in the works for Sage to help the QBs in the program. Having someone with NFL experiance to mentor our QBs should be a good thing. And no that doesn't mean OC. It could be as simple as a QB camp during the summer. Bringing him in for recievers or ends could be a good starting spot too. Sage Rosenfels - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
lol my boner? Actually I want an offense that can move the ball. I assume a guy who played in the NFL knows a little something about offense. And that is nothing close to what Chizik did. Its exactly what JP did with Hoiberg.
That has worked so far because of a guy with the last name of White. I am still on the edge on whether or not he can actually coach a game. Royce is a guy of the ability to make MANY look a helluva lot better than they are and better "pro" prospect according to Fred, hasn't shown me jack since he hit the floor. So, the book is still out on that one.
Quick alert the press "Hit the Rhoads, Sage in" and "Sage New Head Coach"
Heard here first on Cyclonefanatic.
Well if you don't want Mess because he came up as a coach who understands a system where the QB is under center then why would you want Sage? Sage has NEVER been in a spread offense.
Also, I am not sure what he talked to JP about but at the Baylor game he did mention to me that he is interested in working with the QB's in the offseason.
Are you the same people who wanted Hermans' head.
He won 6 games in his 1st year and we went to a bowl game.
We played Minnesota who was 6 and 6 and we barely won.
Lets see, coach Mess wins 6 games in his 1st year, we go to a bowl game.
We play a conference champion Tulsa who went 10 and 3, we lose.
Do we all want more wins? YES!
Do you think CPR wants more wins ? YES!
Coach Mess was hired to keep the offense intact. But running someone elses offense is like trying to write the last three chapters to someone's novel. You don't really know, or have the right feel for the plot.
CPR needs to meet with Mess and Sturdy and redesign the offense to what the two of them feel more comfortable with. Keep the techinal football language so players don't need to do alot of changes. You are not Tom Herman, so you need to design what you like, know, and understand, with the vision of where you're going and how to get there. Simple rule if your not doing the choosing you will be doing the losing.
Take a deep breath, step back and see the whole picture. Don't erase everything, just redirect the focus and fix what need to be fixed. Better fundamentals, more attention to detail, better line blocking, and tackle to take down not strip for turn overs.
Trust Paul, he wants to win, his future is riding on it, he is involved.
All In!
Go Cyclones!
