Possible Rule Changes
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I have hated this since my son wrestled. It didn't appear often in the Championships but you could see the guys drop to a knee just because. If the knee hits the ground intentionally without provocation then it should be warning then points. Did I mention I hate seeing guys drop to a knee?
Gfeller. And half the Okie State team it seems.
My 2 cents on rule changes:
1. Out of Bounds Rule: Auto stall call against the first wrestler to touch out of bounds after both wrestlers go OOB which results in a ref stoppage. I think this would keep the edge of mat action as I like the current rules for OOB whistle stoppage. Freestyle rules aren't bad but I like the idea of strategy in a match and if it's a stall call then a wrestler can flee the first time without risking a point knowing that it will be a stall warning. It also takes the pressure off of the ref's from having to interpret "continued action" vs "fleeing the mat". Ref's being inconsistent on the current rule is very frustrating.
2. 3 point TD.
3. Riding time changes (unpopular opinion, I know
RT can score up to 2 points: 1 point for each minute of RT -- HOWEVER, when RT hits 1 min then the ref calls a stalemate (unless back is exposed) & restart. Then auto-stalemate after each additional 30 seconds of RT for the remainder of the match. This provides and advantage to the bottom wrestler because IMO it's easier to escape from a restart vs having someone on top with the legs in or arm barred up. I also think this would create more sense of urgency for the top wrestler to create a turns (vs just hanging on) because they know a restart will happen. I'd also have RT carry over to overtime. This would cause guys to choose neutral more in OT if they are way behind in RT and be forced to go all out for a TD.
Other thoughts - Don't try to stop wrestling from the knees. It's legal and some guys can and do score from that position. It's not always a stall position as many wrestlers are very good at scoring from the knee position (see David Carr, Biscoglia, etc). ANY wrestler can stall from ANY position.
1. Out of Bounds Rule: Auto stall call against the first wrestler to touch out of bounds after both wrestlers go OOB which results in a ref stoppage. I think this would keep the edge of mat action as I like the current rules for OOB whistle stoppage. Freestyle rules aren't bad but I like the idea of strategy in a match and if it's a stall call then a wrestler can flee the first time without risking a point knowing that it will be a stall warning. It also takes the pressure off of the ref's from having to interpret "continued action" vs "fleeing the mat". Ref's being inconsistent on the current rule is very frustrating.
2. 3 point TD.
3. Riding time changes (unpopular opinion, I know
RT can score up to 2 points: 1 point for each minute of RT -- HOWEVER, when RT hits 1 min then the ref calls a stalemate (unless back is exposed) & restart. Then auto-stalemate after each additional 30 seconds of RT for the remainder of the match. This provides and advantage to the bottom wrestler because IMO it's easier to escape from a restart vs having someone on top with the legs in or arm barred up. I also think this would create more sense of urgency for the top wrestler to create a turns (vs just hanging on) because they know a restart will happen. I'd also have RT carry over to overtime. This would cause guys to choose neutral more in OT if they are way behind in RT and be forced to go all out for a TD.Other thoughts - Don't try to stop wrestling from the knees. It's legal and some guys can and do score from that position. It's not always a stall position as many wrestlers are very good at scoring from the knee position (see David Carr, Biscoglia, etc). ANY wrestler can stall from ANY position.
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I think I love #3.My 2 cents on rule changes:
1. Out of Bounds Rule: Auto stall call against the first wrestler to touch out of bounds after both wrestlers go OOB which results in a ref stoppage. I think this would keep the edge of mat action as I like the current rules for OOB whistle stoppage. Freestyle rules aren't bad but I like the idea of strategy in a match and if it's a stall call then a wrestler can flee the first time without risking a point knowing that it will be a stall warning. It also takes the pressure off of the ref's from having to interpret "continued action" vs "fleeing the mat". Ref's being inconsistent on the current rule is very frustrating.
2. 3 point TD
3. Riding time changes (unpopular opinion, I know
Other thoughts - Don't try to stop wrestling from the knees. It's legal and some guys can and do score from that position. It's not always a stall position as many wrestlers are very good at scoring from the knee position (see David Carr, Biscoglia, etc). ANY wrestler can stall from ANY position.
Not sure about #1. Does #1 reward the feature of “Iowa Style” that is just pushing the opponent OOB?
Two things: Stalling should not be rewarded AND lets have less rules which are simplified. 1. Currently, stalling is rewarded by not calling it. And yet, one man's stalling is another man's logical defense or valid game plan. Action and good defense should be rewarded, but not stalling. 2. We must simplify the needed decisions of the officials and not complicate the role of the official and give them more power over the match. Simplifying would also help in gaining viewers and fans IMHO.
Reward with points the action we want to see. Takedowns, turns, and pins.
Stalling needs to be clearly defined and easily Identified, which is tough.
Reward with points the action we want to see. Takedowns, turns, and pins.
Stalling needs to be clearly defined and easily Identified, which is tough.
A few of the higher profile (IMO) proposals, as I understand then, and my initial thoughts.
- 3 point take downs: I don’t think this will have as big of an impact as they think, and actually think it might have the opposite effect as the intent. The intent is to incentivize offense. My problem is that a LOT of takedowns come from counter offense, or reattacks. Someone has to make the first move, meaning people are going to expose themselves to those reattacks?
- 3 point NF (in addition to 2 and 4): Intent is to encourage more top action and creativity. I don’t see this one moving the needle much at all.
- Riding time: Riding time accrues like normal, but is only awarded if back points are secured. LOVE IT! Implement it now.
- Ankle rides: Starting a count in all positions where the ankle is being controlled. Limit ankle rides. Hey…I think this is a step in the right direction, but I don’t think it moves the needle much. I guess it would depend on how it would be implemented, but if someone in the top position is in control and is riding the ankle, not much is going to stop them from briefly letting go of the ankle just to grab it again. Also, does this impact the bow and arrow usage, which I think is a legitimate top position for turning an opponent?
Interesting changes...the only one that may lead to more action is the riding time being awarded only after back points are earned. That is huge and significant. The other ones are kinda blah in my opinion.
I like the takedown rule. Separates more IMO. Riding time change, will that point matter after turning someone? I feel most of the time it wont. Eliminate it all together if that's the case.
NCAA Wrestling Rules Committee Proposes Massive Changes - FloWrestling
The NCAA wrestling rules committee recommended some ground-shaking proposals this week in Indianapolis.
Do we think hawk fans are smart enough to adapt and say “3!” now? I bet that will be hard for them to wrap their small brains around
Not realistic. A successful challenge can change the wrestler's positions. No way to allow :30 seconds to go by (or more) and then decide you didn't get the takedown and then you didn't get the subsequent back points you got and you didn't get the subsequent pin and now you have to re-wrestle those :30 seconds (or more).
They’ll just call for stalling instead. Much easier than trying to count above 2NCAA Wrestling Rules Committee Proposes Massive Changes - FloWrestling
The NCAA wrestling rules committee recommended some ground-shaking proposals this week in Indianapolis.www.flowrestling.org
Do we think hawk fans are smart enough to adapt and say “3!” now? I bet that will be hard for them to wrap their small brains around
I really like the proposed changes. In particular the 3 pt takedown and RT only if you secured NF.
So a major decision stays at 8 points? With 3 point takedowns, it might need to go to 10
