Possible Rule Changes
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Yeah…adding a 3 point NF is one I like.
I’m not a fan of the 3 pt TD (clearly, if you know my posting history
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I’m not here to change anyones mind or anything, but 4 back points for a tilt then 1 release is +3. Takedown and release is +1 net positive. I like a balancing act if we want to reward sound wrestling in all positions. But everyone has their opinionsYeah…adding a 3 point NF is one I like.
I’m not a fan of the 3 pt TD (clearly, if you know my posting history
Also, I think the rule changes will be beneficial for our guys. AE/Paniro, Chittum, Casey, Carr, Yonger, etc.
I think it'd be interesting to go back and look at last season and see if any losses would be flipped to wins with the new rules
I believe the review change would have helped or flipped the result of Coleman's last match.
I cant remember the exact sequence but wouldn't casey have beaten woods with a 3pt TD?
Casey lost that match 3-2, so yes he would've won
Casey lost 4-2 with giving up the riding time point. Still would've lost 4-3
- Officials can let action continue after penalizing an illegal hold and not require a stoppage after imminent scoring finishes when the safety of wrestlers is not in danger.
not a fan of this -
I like the rule changes. It makes the timing of escapes less critically important, still important but not something that is going to typically swing the match. I didn't think about it that much as a wrestler myself but it's really obvious as a spectator in the high level matches and I've always thought some of it is just luck.
I like the nf change to balance it out so wrestlers whose strength is top position aren't penalized as much with the extra td points, but it probably still takes away that edge a little from them. You could argue they've always had an edge of sorts and still do since no takedown can end a match even if you're behind.
It will result in some fun crazy comebacks and might penalize wrestlers getting outworked trying to hang onto a lead late. Probably a slight improvement for casual spectators but nothing that's going to revolutionize popularity for people who didn't grow up with wrestling.
I like the nf change to balance it out so wrestlers whose strength is top position aren't penalized as much with the extra td points, but it probably still takes away that edge a little from them. You could argue they've always had an edge of sorts and still do since no takedown can end a match even if you're behind.
It will result in some fun crazy comebacks and might penalize wrestlers getting outworked trying to hang onto a lead late. Probably a slight improvement for casual spectators but nothing that's going to revolutionize popularity for people who didn't grow up with wrestling.
So…now that these rule changes have been in play for a couple years, any opinions? Or is it still too early to tell?
Some of my thoughts, with a little data I’ve found:
- 3 pt near fall: I’ll be totally honest. I don’t think I have ever seen one called. Ever. I’m sure it’s been called but I’ve not seen it. To add, the total number of near falls points awarded, regardless of type, has decreased
- 3 point takedown: I think I saw data suggests a 25% increase in points per match, but no evidence suggests it has positively effected activity. Now…there is deep cut evidence that suggests late match decision dynamics have changed though. There may be more “cut the opponent and try to get another takedown” situations, as opposed to just riding out.
More data:
- Major decisions are up slightly
- Tech falls have increased dramatically
- Falls were down initially, but seem to be moving back to historic averages
- Stall calls are up, but only slightly. Refs may be calling more (slightly), but nothing suggests behavior related to stalling has changed
Some of my thoughts, with a little data I’ve found:
- 3 pt near fall: I’ll be totally honest. I don’t think I have ever seen one called. Ever. I’m sure it’s been called but I’ve not seen it. To add, the total number of near falls points awarded, regardless of type, has decreased
- 3 point takedown: I think I saw data suggests a 25% increase in points per match, but no evidence suggests it has positively effected activity. Now…there is deep cut evidence that suggests late match decision dynamics have changed though. There may be more “cut the opponent and try to get another takedown” situations, as opposed to just riding out.
More data:
- Major decisions are up slightly
- Tech falls have increased dramatically
- Falls were down initially, but seem to be moving back to historic averages
- Stall calls are up, but only slightly. Refs may be calling more (slightly), but nothing suggests behavior related to stalling has changed
The 3 point takedown is better than the 2 point takedown because you don't see as much 3+ minutes of riding time.
The 3 point takedown has also increased the stalling in the 3rd period by the wrestler that got that 3 point takedown. Maybe we need to have stalling as warning, 1 point, 2 points, 2 points and then DQ.
The 3 point takedown has also increased the stalling in the 3rd period by the wrestler that got that 3 point takedown. Maybe we need to have stalling as warning, 1 point, 2 points, 2 points and then DQ.
Pretty sure I’ve seen data that suggests that takedowns are down after the 3pt TD, which was to be expected imo since the risk of getting counter scored is now higher.
I still seem to think it was unnecessary and the only thing it does is artificially inflate scores. Might as well make a TD 5 and an escape 3 and then we’d really see scoring go up.
I still seem to think it was unnecessary and the only thing it does is artificially inflate scores. Might as well make a TD 5 and an escape 3 and then we’d really see scoring go up.
I think the 3 point takedown has only emphasized “first takedown”, which I think you’re saying in the 2nd part here.
Guy who gets the first can basically do nothing the rest of the match and win, and the increase in stall calls in the 3rd on that guy suggests the same.
I agree with Crablegs & enisthemenace.
If it is 4-1 going into the 3rd, the wrestler in the lead is not going to engage. Even if the the opponent gets a takedown, he would need to ride out to get the tie
If it is 4-1 going into the 3rd, the wrestler in the lead is not going to engage. Even if the the opponent gets a takedown, he would need to ride out to get the tie
