Thad Matta has a rule that if a player gets 2 fouls in the 1st half, they sit for the rest of the half. Hopefully, Oden will make a couple of early, silly fouls against ISU.
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Thad Matta has a rule that if a player gets 2 fouls in the 1st half, they sit for the rest of the half. Hopefully, Oden will make a couple of early, silly fouls against ISU.
I like how people forget about the bad years from some of our greatest coaches. They only recall that those coaches were great and they "would never have let something like this happen". Here are some FACTS:
Floyd's last year (which should have been one of his best if he was recruiting properly) he won 12 games!!!
Eustachy won 15 games his first year and 12 games in 2002, his fourth season.
McD has barely set foot on the Hilton floor and some people are calling him a bad coach? Unbelievable!! I can't wait to see how these same people react when Chizik wins less games next year than what Mac did this year.
McD has won EVERYWHERE he has coached. I don't think this is coincidental. But look how long it took him at each location:
AT UNI he only won 14 games the 01-02 season. And only 11 games the following season. But then he won 21 games his THIRD year and made the tourney. 3 years to right the ship with a year of REGRESSION in between.
At Wayne State, his first coaching stop, he only won 14 games his first season. Followed by an even worse 12 win season. Then in his THIRD year, he won 21 games. He followed this with a string of 20 plus wins.
He was only at North Dakota State for 1 year but he did take them NCAA Div II sweet 16.
So, as you can see, at the two stops where he had to "rebuild", it was his THIRD season where he had the breakout years. He followed those years with CONSISTENT winning.
He is a good coach. But does everyone understand that this could take until his 3rd year at ISU as well. If you don't see that, you will be disappointed. But McDs coaching records speak for themselves. He WILL be successful here. He just needs time. And I'm not talking half a season.
Floyd's last year (which should have been one of his best if he was recruiting properly) he won 12 games!!!
Eustachy won 15 games his first year and 12 games in 2002, his fourth season.
McD has barely set foot on the Hilton floor and some people are calling him a bad coach? Unbelievable!! I can't wait to see how these same people react when Chizik wins less games next year than what Mac did this year.
McD has won EVERYWHERE he has coached. I don't think this is coincidental. But look how long it took him at each location:
AT UNI he only won 14 games the 01-02 season. And only 11 games the following season. But then he won 21 games his THIRD year and made the tourney. 3 years to right the ship with a year of REGRESSION in between.
At Wayne State, his first coaching stop, he only won 14 games his first season. Followed by an even worse 12 win season. Then in his THIRD year, he won 21 games. He followed this with a string of 20 plus wins.
He was only at North Dakota State for 1 year but he did take them NCAA Div II sweet 16.
So, as you can see, at the two stops where he had to "rebuild", it was his THIRD season where he had the breakout years. He followed those years with CONSISTENT winning.
He is a good coach. But does everyone understand that this could take until his 3rd year at ISU as well. If you don't see that, you will be disappointed. But McDs coaching records speak for themselves. He WILL be successful here. He just needs time. And I'm not talking half a season.
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We did play zone for two possessions in the second half and gave up a quick three to Haluska. Morgan's zone was not very good and IMO man to man should be the base defense always. That is the defense that most consistently wins champioships.
I remember youth basketball with my kids. Teams played zone sticking the biggest kid in the class in the middle. Won lots of championships in fourth through sixth grade. However, no teaching of fundamental defensive principles and crappy basketball teams in the high school years.
By the way what defense did Iowa play Friday to shut us down? I don't think it was zone.
I remember youth basketball with my kids. Teams played zone sticking the biggest kid in the class in the middle. Won lots of championships in fourth through sixth grade. However, no teaching of fundamental defensive principles and crappy basketball teams in the high school years.
By the way what defense did Iowa play Friday to shut us down? I don't think it was zone.
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on a positive note dodie has been playing lights out, you can tell he really wants to prove himself, and that dunk, over who it was, was sweet
That Was a Bad Basketball Team
There is no reason to throw G-Mac under the bus at this time in his ISU coaching career, but ISU is a BAD team at this point. There is individual play on offense & defense, but no team concept.
The offense is as painful to watch as some of LE's post Tinsley teams. Mike Taylor dribbles wa.....y too much. McIntosh appears overmatched. Jiri & Jessan are not post players.
On defense we get knocked off picks. There is just no toughness.
My hope is that G-Mac has to tear things apart, before he can build them back up. My fear is he don't have the players to get it done this year and I'm not sure guys like Taylor, McIntosh & Jiri are guys we want to count on next season.
If we have to rely on guys like Brackins, Garrett, etc next season; we could be in for a 3-4 year rebuilding job.
There is no reason to throw G-Mac under the bus at this time in his ISU coaching career, but ISU is a BAD team at this point. There is individual play on offense & defense, but no team concept.
The offense is as painful to watch as some of LE's post Tinsley teams. Mike Taylor dribbles wa.....y too much. McIntosh appears overmatched. Jiri & Jessan are not post players.
On defense we get knocked off picks. There is just no toughness.
My hope is that G-Mac has to tear things apart, before he can build them back up. My fear is he don't have the players to get it done this year and I'm not sure guys like Taylor, McIntosh & Jiri are guys we want to count on next season.
If we have to rely on guys like Brackins, Garrett, etc next season; we could be in for a 3-4 year rebuilding job.
Exactly the reason you'll forever remain at the junior level. I suggest you mail it in as a Cyclone fan.
Re: That Was a Bad Basketball Team
Yep...that's the price you pay for hiring Larry Boy, and then Wayne (Homer Simpson) Morgan... until we get help in the middle, we're left with nothing more satisfying than a doughnut.
Yep...that's the price you pay for hiring Larry Boy, and then Wayne (Homer Simpson) Morgan... until we get help in the middle, we're left with nothing more satisfying than a doughnut.
Generally speaking, the guys you have to wait "a couple years" on tend to be marginal to average players at best. Especially in today's game. Look at Texas...playing 7 freshman and they will be challenging for the conference title. Kansas' best player is probably Arthur (a freshman).
In today's game, we need to be recruiting the elite athletes that can come in and play right away if we want to be an elite team.
I remember another big guy we got from Minnesota that was going to be a great player after a couple of years of development...Brad Dudek. He sure panned out didn't he!?
It's insulting to Cory Johnson to put him in the same category as Brad Dudek. I'd put him more in the Martin Rancik category, only better. Just realize that by your own admission, you've only seen one game, so I don't think you should judge him based on that.
The reason why the zone did not do well last year was they did not play a good zone. Curtis and Will ran around trying to steal the ball for fast breaks when they were helping out on the opponents big men who were lighting it up. The team last year played lousy zone. I do not expect us to play lousy zone this year under McD. The problem comes down to the bigs cannot guard big men. They take lousy position because they do not use their noggins. We look like a minamally focused, non thinking team. I again say I am suroprised. I expected the new recruits to play like Dodie on the floor. Play within themselves. Wesley could do more. Jessan could take more shots. Clark could dribble. ike could pass more precisely. Corey and Cory could be more of a threat. We are too passive except for Mike to play in the Big 12. Darius Jackson and others will eat our lunch. Give these guys an aggression pill please before Jan. We need to be more aggressive in order to survive this year.
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This team is suffering from a major Wayne Morgan hangover. It is going to take time to sleep it off. GMac will get it done here, but it isn't going to happen overnight. Especially with last minute Juco recruits and a few Morgan hold overs, who had their problems even in Morgan's system.
Why are you surprised by the losses so far? Anyone with a brain and some sport knowledge called that this year will have its ups and down. Why is this shocking? I swear some of you must just post obnoxious stuff out there just to stir arguments. McDermott has his work cut out for him. He had to build a new team with players who had a confused first couple of years under Morgan. Plus he added some guys he scrapped together at the last minute to fill holes. How many of you could put together a great team off of that. When McDermott gets going with a fresh team he will do great things. And dont dismiss this years team either. They are having a rough but decent start. I agree thats its tough to watch sometimes, but it is to be expected. Anyone who believes they should be immediately better is a spoiled child.
And don't forget Johnny Orr was 9-18 overall and 2-12 in the Big 8 his first season at ISU following Lynn Nance's last season as coach when the team was 5-9 in conference.
So, did the Mac haters already forget the recruiting class he has coming in next year? Rumor from posts a couple of monts ago has it it's one of the best in the nation. Why should Mac be judged on the play of Morgan-leftovers (most of which weren't good enough to get PT when Morgan was here) and a bunch of less-than-talented JUCO players that he had to settle for to create a patchwork lineup?
While all of us would have loved to see a 20-10esque record and a trip to the NCAAs, those who thought this was realistic are delusional with the level of talent Mac has to work with this year. Remember, Mac left A LOT of talent in Cedar Falls. If he could recruit that well there, imagine what he'll be able to do with our resources.
I'm giving him some byes the next couple of years. I can't wait until the next couple of recruiting classes are sophs, jrs, and srs.
While all of us would have loved to see a 20-10esque record and a trip to the NCAAs, those who thought this was realistic are delusional with the level of talent Mac has to work with this year. Remember, Mac left A LOT of talent in Cedar Falls. If he could recruit that well there, imagine what he'll be able to do with our resources.
I'm giving him some byes the next couple of years. I can't wait until the next couple of recruiting classes are sophs, jrs, and srs.
I'm with you HardcoreClone. Morgan team's weren't coached by other then stinson the last two years. Each of these last two years a players got bullied and injured in practice. Anthony Davis the yr before last, and last year it was Jessan Gray. Did you see the positive, we outrebounded the hawks 42 to 30. Normally, the hawks are pretty good at rebounding. We have had only one coach besides McDermott who could teach rebounding in the last thirty years, that was LE. The rest will come around. This was the most hostile and athletic environment these new guys have played in to date. They will make steady progress under GMAC.
