Pac 12 expansion article

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The odds are better that teams will leave the Pac 12 for the Big 12 than the other way around. This is not 10 years ago, why would OU want a more difficult path to the college football playoff and playing half their conference games at 9:00 central time to move to the West Coast?

There is dumb and then totally stupid and this is just stupid.
The only way Big12 schools move to the Pac12 is if the money is better. Not sure how that happens.

If expansion pops again, Bowlsby needs to show he is an industry leader and the Big12 needs to be an aggressor. IMO the Big12 should go strong after: Colorado, Utah, BYU, Arizona and ASU.

Unlike some, I have no issue approaching Mizzou or Nebraska to gauge their interest in rejoining the Big12.
 

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What problems does the Big 12 have?
The only problem they have is small market size outside of DFW, KC and OKC. They have no problem with apathetic fanbases or competitiveness.
 
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Lots of problems with this article. Anyone discussing TV markets in an article about conference realignment in 2021 is automatically an unserious person. Nobody’s leaving their current conference for one making less money (Big 10/SEC > Big XII > ACC > PAC 12). A G5 team isn’t getting an invite to move up unless they fit academically, somewhat geographically and, most importantly, bring in at a minimum their cut of conference revenues.

Basically, I don’t see any changes through the end of the next set of media deals.
 

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The only problem they have is small market size outside of DFW, KC and OKC. They have no problem with apathetic fanbases or competitiveness.
TV markets are 2011 talk and won’t be the driving force if and when further conference changes happen. Otherwise, the Big XII would have snapped up Cincinnati and pick one of Houston/Tulane/Memphis/Colorado St in the last decade. Fan engagement is the key, and the reason the PAC 12 is struggling.
 

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TV markets are 2011 talk and won’t be the driving force if and when further conference changes happen. Otherwise, the Big XII would have snapped up Cincinnati and pick one of Houston/Tulane/Memphis/Colorado St in the last decade. Fan engagement is the key, and the reason the PAC 12 is struggling.
Exactly.

Fan engagement in the Big 12 blows the Pac 12 and even most of the ACC out of the water. Couple that with playoff expansion and no one is leaving the Big 12.
 

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The only way Big12 schools move to the Pac12 is if the money is better. Not sure how that happens.

If expansion pops again, Bowlsby needs to show he is an industry leader and the Big12 needs to be an aggressor. IMO the Big12 should go strong after: Colorado, Utah, BYU, Arizona and ASU.

Unlike some, I have no issue approaching Mizzou or Nebraska to gauge their interest in rejoining the Big12.
I think the odds are higher of a B12 alliance or merger with the P12 than expansion and that would be likely driven by a new media entrant like Amazon in an attempt to aggregate content for Prime and buying out PACN.

And I agree with you on Mizzou and Nebraska. Ideally, I would trade WVU to the SEC for Mizzou and then add Nebraska and BYU for 12 schools. I prefer 10 conference schools over 12 but if expanding to 12 with those 3 maxes out per school payouts for the new TV deals, then go for it. North: ISU, NU, BYU, KU, KSU, Mizzou. South: OU, OK State, BU, TCU, Tech, UT.
 
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I think the odds are higher of a B12 alliance or merger with the P12 than expansion and that would be likely driven by a new media entrant like Amazon in an attempt to aggregate content for Prime and buying out PACN.

And I agree with you on Mizzou and Nebraska. Ideally, I would trade WVU to the SEC for Mizzou and then add Nebraska and BYU for 12 schools. I prefer 10 conference schools over 12 but if expanding to 12 with those 3 maxes out per school payouts for the new TV deals, then go for it. North: ISU, NU, BYU, KU, KSU, Mizzou. South: OU, OK State, BU, TCU, Tech, UT.
11 game conference season, here we come...


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As many of you will find out, UNLV gets to play in one of the nicest stadiums in the country.
Actually if they ever could get their **** together with football I am guessing Big 12 fans would be cool with coming to Vegas every couple of years :)

I do know the new Pac 12 Commish is going to want to promote lots of sponsor ship from casino's and not shy away from the gambling aspect of sports like the other commissioners do.
 
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I think the odds are higher of a B12 alliance or merger with the P12 than expansion and that would be likely driven by a new media entrant like Amazon in an attempt to aggregate content for Prime and buying out PACN.

And I agree with you on Mizzou and Nebraska. Ideally, I would trade WVU to the SEC for Mizzou and then add Nebraska and BYU for 12 schools. I prefer 10 conference schools over 12 but if expanding to 12 with those 3 maxes out per school payouts for the new TV deals, then go for it. North: ISU, NU, BYU, KU, KSU, Mizzou. South: OU, OK State, BU, TCU, Tech, UT.
I get WVU doesn't exactly fit geographically but why not finally kick Baylor to the curb like they should have been instead? That or bring in a school like Cincinnati or Memphis too.
 
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TV markets are 2011 talk and won’t be the driving force if and when further conference changes happen. Otherwise, the Big XII would have snapped up Cincinnati and pick one of Houston/Tulane/Memphis/Colorado St in the last decade. Fan engagement is the key, and the reason the PAC 12 is struggling.
I think that is simplifying it a little. TV markets aren't the big key any more because conference networks can't force cable subscribers to pay a monthly fee. But, major media markets do still matter. A good Houston or Tulane or San Diego St or UCF team in a P5 conference would be a bigger draw than a good ISU team. That's just reality.
 

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I think that is simplifying it a little. TV markets aren't the big key any more because conference networks can't force cable subscribers to pay a monthly fee. But, major media markets do still matter. A good Houston or Tulane or San Diego St or UCF team in a P5 conference would be a bigger draw than a good ISU team. That's just reality.
In the end everything is shifting value to teams that have fans (or general public) willing to actively seek out and pay for the product. The best gauge right now for that is attendance. LOL at SDSU. They had an NFL team that were blacked out all the time even when good. In the end any conference taking any of those teams is elevating that team MAYBE to a point of breaking even. These are schools drawing in the low 30s, Tulane like 20k. That’s a big bet to make. I could see somebody making a bet on UCF or Houston maybe. But in general NFL towns and CFB don’t mix well. I just don’t think there are any G5 right now that add to the per capita dollars of a conference.
 

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I think that is simplifying it a little. TV markets aren't the big key any more because conference networks can't force cable subscribers to pay a monthly fee. But, major media markets do still matter. A good Houston or Tulane or San Diego St or UCF team in a P5 conference would be a bigger draw than a good ISU team. That's just reality.
Houston and UCF are arguable, especially since they have high enrollments in college football crazy states. Even though they are 4th-5th fiddle in their states, they still would draw well.
No way would Tulane or SDSU draw better than ISU. Tulane is a small private school, they wouldn’t even draw as well as Baylor, TCU, or Northwestern. And San Diego St is located in an area and state that couldn’t care less about college sports. Look at the tv ratings the last few years from the Pac 12, they speak for themselves.
 

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I don't really see any Big 12 team wanting to leave the conference except one. That would be if the ACC reached out to WV, and I wouldn't blame them for taking it either.
ACC would never ask WVU, because of their academic perception.