Opinions on that INT

[clonedude]

The reason the clock needs to stop on first downs is they are completely inept at getting the chains and ball set. Specifically near the end of the game this is important. If a team is trying to tie/win a game, but loses on time because they can't start the plays fast enough because we are waiting for the fat old officials get ready that is worse than the games being longer. Games need to move faster, but the issue isn't really the pace of actual play. The issue is long reviews and ridiculous time outs.

The length of these reviews is the issue, it's ridiculous. What I really hate is like yesterday, after a play is over they go to a commercial TV break, which lasts what seems like forever, then when they come back after the commercial break the official says they are going to review the previous play. Wut? Why weren't you reviewing it the last 5 mins during the commercial break?

And some of these reviews are really obvious plays which shouldn't need reviews in the first place, but even so, it should take like 20 secs to look at and see the obvious correct call, but yet it still takes them forever.

And how about having 2 or 3 spots on the sidelines where the official can go to talk to the booth? Sometimes the official has to jog or walk almost the entire length of the field to get to the mic where he can talk to the booth, then makes his ruling, then has to jog or walk all the way back down to where the line of scrimmage is.

 

[clonedude]

So here's that Stanford TD catch where the WR has the ball pinned against the DB's back and it's ruled a TD. Without the DB's back there, would he have caught it? Who knows, but it certainly aided the catch. So you can argue that Murdock has it pinned against OSU's DB's chest instead of his back, so what's the difference? If the OSU DB is turned around and Murdock has it pinned against his back instead of his chest, it's a TD.

 

[jsb]

The officials were bad yesterday, especially down the stretch. I would have had no problem if they had called the pass an incomplete. But it clearly wasn't an interception.

But the bigger ******* joke was not calling holding or PI on Lazard when it was the exact same crap as the 2 point conversion.

I am also sick and tired of Iowa State fans and media saying that we shouldn't complain about the officiating.

 

[Cyliam]

Your troll game is weak.

Incompetence doesn’t require nefarious intent. Van Vark has a history of it in ISU games, but it’s likely he sucks in general.

It’s obvious that it’s either a TD or an incomplete pass. If they had called it a TD live, it stands, likewise with incomplete. There’s no way the OU Lite db ever had possession through the catch, let alone sole possession. Then there’s the blatant PI inconsistencies.

48-47 ISU.

Welcome to Cyfan after a loss, where if you don't wear cardinal and gold glasses you are a troll, and reality doesn't matter.

How about this? Instead another 14 page thread about thread about bad officiating and a B12 deep state conspiracy to screw ISU we talk about how we gave up half a hundred again and two touchdowns at home in the last 8 minutes to lose a game we should have won?

 

[clonedude]

The officials were bad yesterday, especially down the stretch. I would have had no problem if they had called the pass an incomplete. But it clearly wasn't an interception.

But the bigger ******* joke was not calling holding or PI on Lazard when it was the exact same crap as the 2 point conversion.

I am also sick and tired of Iowa State fans and media saying that we shouldn't complain about the officiating.

Agree, but I think the PI/holding that wasn't called on the pass to Eaton a few plays before in the endzone was even worse than the Lazard one. And both were more obvious than the call on Peavy on the OSU 2 pt conversion.

 

[acody]

IMO, the Big 12 did not want ISU in the championship game period. They don't have a big enough name, or national draw for TV viewing. The worst case scenario in the Big 12's mind would probably have been a TCU-ISU matchup for the title.

As Ed McMahon used to say to Johnny Carson, "you are correct sir"

 

[jsb]

Agree, but I think the PI/holding that wasn't called on the pass to Eaton a few plays before in the endzone was even worse than the Lazard one. And both were more obvious than the call on Peavy on the OSU 2 pt conversion.

You're right, I had forgotten who the other pass interferences were against, so it was just easy for me to say Lazard.

The whole thing is frustrating.

 

[SCarolinaCy]

questionable call to throw the fade to the far corner after just throwing a fade the other way, but either way it was well underthrown. Tough to put that all on Zeb's shoulders as that's not an easy throw, maybe a back shoulder thing or attack the middle with the slot receiver? Not an OC but I think it's asking quite a bit of a young QB in a high pressure situation. THIS.

The INT call was probably correct, I think Murdock had a hand on it but no shared possession until he took it away when they were on the ground.

The real travesty of that drive was the lack of calls on OSU's secondary that looked veeeeery similar to what we were called for twice on the 2 point conversion.

 

[jsb]

Welcome to Cyfan after a loss, where if you don't wear cardinal and gold glasses you are a troll, and reality doesn't matter.

How about this? Instead another 14 page thread about thread about bad officiating and a B12 deep state conspiracy to screw ISU we talk about how we gave up half a hundred again and two touchdowns at home in the last 8 minutes to lose a game we should have won?

This is so ******* dumb. If Oklahoma State hadn't let an injured quarterback lead us to 2 TD's or let a linebacker get a TD, then it wouldn't have been close for them either.

And a game we should have won? What I saw yesterday was two pretty darn good teams play pretty even. Could we have won? Of course. Should we have won? Only a Hawk fan would say that.

And it is perfectly valid to complain about officiating. Fans don't get bonus points for being all biased for the officials. You say that reality doesn't matter, but IN REALITY the officials were very inconsistent and bad in the last 8 minutes or so yesterday. THAT IS REALITY.

 

[FinalFourCy]

Welcome to Cyfan after a loss, where if you don't wear cardinal and gold glasses you are a troll, and reality doesn't matter.

How about this? Instead another 14 page thread about thread about bad officiating and a B12 deep state conspiracy to screw ISU we talk about how we gave up half a hundred again and two touchdowns at home in the last 8 minutes to lose a game we should have won?

Welcome to CF, were little bro hawk fans relive their Super Bowl. You do realize there’s a thing called posting history? You need to work on your troll game.

Again, incompetence doesn’t require nefarious intent. Please present your next fallacy.

 

[CyValley]

So here's that Stanford TD catch where the WR has the ball pinned against the DB's back and it's ruled a TD. Without the DB's back there, would he have caught it? Who knows, but it certainly aided the catch. So you can argue that Murdock has it pinned against OSU's DB's chest instead of his back, so what's the difference? If the OSU DB is turned around and Murdock has it pinned against his back instead of his chest, it's a TD.

To me, the difference is that the OSU DB had the ball pinned to his chest with both hands, and before he was on the ground. But that's no excuse for all the other blown calls by the officials.

https://cyclonefanatic.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/USATSI_10404380_168381333_lowres-1024x714.jpg

 

[clonedude]

This is so ******* dumb. If Oklahoma State hadn't let an injured quarterback lead us to 2 TD's or let a linebacker get a TD, then it wouldn't have been close for them either.

And a game we should have won? What I saw yesterday was two pretty darn good teams play pretty even. Could we have won? Of course. Should we have won? Only a Hawk fan would say that.

And it is perfectly valid to complain about officiating. Fans don't get bonus points for being all biased for the officials. You say that reality doesn't matter, but IN REALITY the officials were very inconsistent and bad in the last 8 minutes or so yesterday. THAT IS REALITY.

Uhh, wut? So you're comparing ISU making great plays with their backup QB and MLB getting TD's, to OSU getting all the calls down the stretch as being equal??

I wouldn't have minded if OSU made great plays down the stretch to win the game. That would have been 10x better than getting jobbed by the Big 12 and their officials.

 

[Spanky]

To me, the difference is that the OSU DB had the ball pinned to his chest with both hands, and before he was on the ground. But that's no excuse for all the other blown calls by the officials.

https://cyclonefanatic.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/USATSI_10404380_168381333_lowres-1024x714.jpg

Except...he didn't.
Murdock had it pinned to his chest, the OSU players hand was over his.

 

[jsb]

Uhh, wut? So you're comparing ISU making great plays with their backup QB and MLB getting TD's, to OSU getting all the calls down the stretch as being equal??

I wouldn't have minded if OSU made great plays down the stretch to win the game. That would have been 10x better than getting jobbed by the Big 12 and their officials.

No, I wasn't clear. The person I was responding to said that we shouldn't complain about the officiating because if we had made more plays it wouldn't have mattered. But that goes both ways....if Oklahoma State had made more plays they would have won by more.

To be clear, I am fairly certain that the officials thought that Oklahoma State should win and once Oklahoma State scored the TD to bring it within 2, the fix was in. And I'll go all conspiracy in on it and say that the Big 12 didn't want Iowa State to have a shot at the championship game.

 

[FinalFourCy]

To me, the difference is that the OSU DB had the ball pinned to his chest with both hands, and before he was on the ground. But that's no excuse for all the other blown calls by the officials.

https://cyclonefanatic.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/USATSI_10404380_168381333_lowres-1024x714.jpg

You mean the hand that comes off when they hit the ground and the same one that’s on top of Murdock’s the entire time? He does not have possession if Murdock doesn’t have a firm hold on the ball.

Still-shots are nice. I could go find one of Ryen’s catch late against WVU, prior to him dropping it of course.

The refs were incompetent and it cost us a 48-47 win.

 

[clonedude]

To me, the difference is that the OSU DB had the ball pinned to his chest with both hands, and before he was on the ground. But that's no excuse for all the other blown calls by the officials.

https://cyclonefanatic.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/USATSI_10404380_168381333_lowres-1024x714.jpg

Uhhh..... this never happened. OSU DB never had the ball pinned to his chest with both hands, not when the ISU WR has his hand on the ball underneath his hand.

And... it doesn't matter where you have it in the air anyway (even though he never had it in the air).... it matters if you have it when you hit the ground too, and the OSU's hand that is on top of Murdocks comes off when they hit the ground. We need to talk facts here buddy, not made up stuff.

 

[CyValley]

Murdock had it pinned to his chest, the OSU players hand was over his.

So? (You mean, Murdock had a hand on the ball, which was pinned to the OSU defender's chest by the OSU defender's hands.)

 

[ISUAlum2002]

To those who are saying at worst it should have been called an incomplete pass, that really wasn't an option since the ball never hit the ground while not being possessed by at least one of the players.

This was one of those situations that officials hate. It was unclear on the field, unclear on the replay, but since the ball didn't hit the ground it had to be either a TD or interception and there was no other option. And both calls would be pivotal to the game.

 

[CyValley]

Uhhh..... this never happened. OSU DB never had the ball pinned to his chest with both hands, not when the ISU WR has his hand on the ball underneath his hand.

And... it doesn't matter where you have it in the air anyway (even though he never had it in the air).... it matters if you have it when you hit the ground too, and the OSU's hand that is on top of Murdocks comes off when they hit the ground. We need to talk facts here buddy, not made up stuff.

Well, chief, are you suggesting the photo is photoshopped? Thae photo, at that micro-moment, is not made-up stuff. Man.

So, someone here cite the rule(s) that cover possession in this situation. I do not know the rules. If someone is able to point to them, please do. Thanks.

 

[FinalFourCy]

So? (You mean, Murdock had a hand on the ball, which was pinned to the OSU defender's chest by the OSU defender's hands.)

At worse that’s dual possession, and a td. But then the OU Lite defender let’s go, which means clear TD.

Murdock made a great play in catching it with one hand, without that it goes past the DB or hits him in the back/shoulder. The defender then tries to strip it out, at which point he puts his hand momentarily over Murdock’s hand (with the ball), until it comes off several times while falling.