*** Official Selection Sunday Thread ***

aeroclone

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Overall #1 seeds started in 2004. Iowa State has been to the tournament 12 times since then. This is the 3rd time being in the same region.

2005 - #1 Illinois (Midwest) - Iowa State #9 in East
2012 - #1 Kentucky (South) - Iowa State #8 in South
2013 - #1 Louisville (Midwest) - Iowa State #10 in West
2014 - #1 Florida (South) - Iowa State #3 in East
2015 - #1 Kentucky (Midwest)- Iowa State #3 in South
2016 - #1 Kansas (South) - Iowa State #4 in Midwest
2017 - #1 Villanova (East) - Iowa State #5 in Midwest
2019 - #1 Duke (East) - Iowa State #6 in Midwest
2022 - #1 Gonzaga (West) - Iowa State #11 in Midwest
2023 - #1 Alabama (South) - Iowa State #6 in Midwest
2024 - #1 UConn (East) - Iowa State #2 in East
2025 - #1 Auburn (South) - Iowa State #3 in South
So that puts us in the same region as the overall #1 25% of the time, which is spot on.

Npw I've always felt like we have ended up in the same region as the eventual champion more than random chance would predict. Is that north of 25%?
 
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NWICY

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KG is out and that sucks, but let’s shift the vibes and get fired up!

We have a very favorable draw.

CUJO looks like his old self again.

The presidents looked dominant last week.

Heise has been a positive contributor down the stretch.

Milan has looked more and more like a guy that can take over games.

Tamin may be slow but he’s probably one of the toughest dudes I’ve ever seen play.

Most importantly we can game plan around this now that we aren’t waiting until day of to figure out if KG will play.
This in spades, dude takes a beating every game and just keeps bringing it. I can't remember a tougher Cyclone.
 

t-noah

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Interesting. I should have known that you would have a link to something like this.

As you might expect, these videos raise a few questions. For instance, what criteria is to be used for picking the top 8 (or top 4 teams) or scrubbing one team down a notch? The video refers only to "best" and "better" teams. Is it left to the committee members to determine their own criteria? Is it "best" at the moment? Or "best" for the season? Do they consider injuries, both early in the season and currently?

For instance, it still baffles my mind that a committee member could think that our non-conference schedule last year was more determinative of our quality as a team than our performance in the Big 12 tournament. The non-conference schedule is nearly irrelevant. You could have the worst non-conference schedule and lose every game, but then win every game in your conference and conference tournament by 40 points. Do you dock the team because it lost bad non-conference games in November? Or honor the team because it had great wins in January/February/March? I know what Vegas would say. But based on the logic explained last year, the committee might treat the bad non-conference losses as meaningful.
Your relevancy for meaningfulness and accuracy is noted.

And here we are in the present and now. I cannot wait. I don't think the results will be too bad.
Cycsk, I appreciate your like. My response to your post here just doesn't seem like something I would comment on though. I don't remember making it. I think I'm losing it. o_O
 

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I hope people finally have it in their heads that these conference tournaments have a minimal impact on how teams are seeded in the tournament. I don’t know how many times I got called an idiot for saying this… but ISU throwing the Big 12 tournament literally had zero impact on our seeding - not only did we stay a 3, we were the #2 3-seed. On top of that, Wisconsin didn’t get to play in Milwaukee despite making it to the Big 10 final… and, in all likelihood winning it wouldn’t have gotten them there, either.

I don’t want to say conference teams mean nothing, but in terms of NCAA seeding, it has a minimal impact.
 

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I hope people finally have it in their heads that these conference tournaments have a minimal impact on how teams are seeded in the tournament. I don’t know how many times I got called an idiot for saying this… but ISU throwing the Big 12 tournament literally had zero impact on our seeding - not only did we stay a 3, we were the #2 3-seed. On top of that, Wisconsin didn’t get to play in Milwaukee despite making it to the Big 10 final… and, in all likelihood winning it wouldn’t have gotten them there, either.

I don’t want to say conference teams mean nothing, but in terms of NCAA seeding, it has a minimal impact.

I'd have to wonder with injuries and exhaustion to other players/teams if teams start to shut down their players for conference tourneys at some point, or if for nothing else, rest.
WI and MI both looked really tired yesterday, and I think Izzo said something about getting a good break before the NCAAs.
 

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I'd have to wonder with injuries and exhaustion to other players/teams if teams start to shut down their players for conference tourneys at some point, or if for nothing else, rest.
WI and MI both looked really tired yesterday, and I think Izzo said something about getting a good break before the NCAAs.

and I need to be clear that I’m not saying conference tournaments have zero impact on the NCAA Tournament - someone winning a conference tournament nobody saw coming is obviously going to throw a wrench in things, and UNC and Texas apparently doing enough in their tournaments got them in, while WV played their way out by losing to Colorado. So for teams trying to fight their way in it matters a lot. But when the committee has the 1s and 2s set by late Friday and the 3s, 4s, and maybe even 5s and 6s set by early Saturday, what happens in a conference tournament, unless it happens really early, isn’t going to change much of anything. Let’s hyperbolize a bit and assume ISU stayed healthy the entire year and was somewhere on the 4/5 true seed line (in other words, fighting for a 1-seed), and was a 1 or 2 in the Big 12 Tournament - they wouldn’t play their first game until Thursday, and the 1s and 2s are being locked in place by Friday. Unless ISU gets smoked by a near last place team in the round of 8, the committee really has nothing to go on by that game. As such, as long as that doesn’t happen, what happens in the rest of the Big 12 Tournament has no bearing because we’d already be locked in place by Friday.
 

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and I need to be clear that I’m not saying conference tournaments have zero impact on the NCAA Tournament - someone winning a conference tournament nobody saw coming is obviously going to throw a wrench in things, and UNC and Texas apparently doing enough in their tournaments got them in, while WV played their way out by losing to Colorado. So for teams trying to fight their way in it matters a lot. But when the committee has the 1s and 2s set by late Friday and the 3s, 4s, and maybe even 5s and 6s set by early Saturday, what happens in a conference tournament, unless it happens really early, isn’t going to change much of anything. Let’s hyperbolize a bit and assume ISU stayed healthy the entire year and was somewhere on the 4/5 true seed line (in other words, fighting for a 1-seed), and was a 1 or 2 in the Big 12 Tournament - they wouldn’t play their first game until Thursday, and the 1s and 2s are being locked in place by Friday. Unless ISU gets smoked by a near last place team in the round of 8, the committee really has nothing to go on by that game. As such, as long as that doesn’t happen, what happens in the rest of the Big 12 Tournament has no bearing because we’d already be locked in place by Friday.
They end up being 1-2 last quality wins losses for bubble teams but not much more.
 

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Here's an idea about how to put more significance into the conference tournaments: Give #1 and #2 seeds only to conference tournament winners.
 
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