*** Official Selection Sunday Thread ***

Clonehomer

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Jamie's been on the committee for a while, right? Did he not understand how important the non-con would be prior to scheduling, or was it just a matter of being unable to schedule who we needed to improve the out-of-conference schedule?

I don’t think in his wildest imagination that the non-conference schedule would be the thing holding us back from a 1 seed this season. Poor foresight I guess.
 

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Jamie's been on the committee for a while, right? Did he not understand how important the non-con would be prior to scheduling, or was it just a matter of being unable to schedule who we needed to improve the out-of-conference schedule?
Needs to bust a foot off in Yormark's ass next time he tries sending us to DePaul.
 

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Jamie's been on the committee for a while, right? Did he not understand how important the non-con would be prior to scheduling, or was it just a matter of being unable to schedule who we needed to improve the out-of-conference schedule?

This assumes the committee is actually consistent on this from year to year and not just catering to the ESPN\ACC narrative they've been pushing for a couple months now about NCSOS.
 

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Jamie's been on the committee for a while, right? Did he not understand how important the non-con would be prior to scheduling, or was it just a matter of being unable to schedule who we needed to improve the out-of-conference schedule?
Committee moved the goalposts this year. Every other year, they cite net rankings but not this year. This year was non-conference strength of schedule. I know ISU will be ready but it just irks me that they pivoted in the year it would have benefited ISU if they followed NET like they do every other year.
 

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The seeding is what it is. I am less worried about SDSU, WSU, or Drake than I am getting refs from a small conference that have never seen a team play defense like ISU and it turn into free-throw scoring for our opponent and our best guys on the bench in foul trouble. That is the real threat in Omaha for our team. Our physical play is not as common in other leagues so it matters if the officials have ever seen a team play like that.
 

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Dude, you aren't an Iowa State fan. We worry about everything ;). It's mostly fine, but it's kind of ********.
I would go even further and say that the optics are not great of an MSU fan telling ISU, as arguably the best 2-seed (slash potential 1-seed), that it's tough luck to get put in the home-ish arena of the best 1-seed.
 

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It makes sense; I don't blame Jamie for this either; I think he's doing his best for ISU every day of the year. It just sucks that even when we are on the committee, we (and the conference as a whole) seem to be put in a poor position.
 

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I’m guessing another aspect of our noncon is the worse a team is the cheaper they are to schedule. If we schedule basketball like football it’s definitely a factor and that probably plays a
 

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Ehhhh…our scheduling problem wasn’t not having power 5 teams. It was that we played the worst of the worst low level teams. Get a few better SWACC teams and it would help.
Q3 or Q4 are pretty much interchangeable. You win those games at home period. The issue is 100% not having a couple marquee games which shouldn’t matter when you look at the resume as a whole.
 

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The seeding is what it is. I am less worried about SDSU, WSU, or Drake than I am getting refs from a small conference that have never seen a team play defense like ISU and it turn into free-throw scoring for our opponent and our best guys on the bench in foul trouble. That is the real threat in Omaha for our team. Our physical play is not as common in other leagues so it matters if the officials have ever seen a team play like that.
We really cut down on contact/collisions in KC.
 

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And SOS doesn't care if you win, unlike SOR.

So these teams pad their NCSOS just by scheduling those games, and because they're blue bloods vs blue bloods, they don't take any hits for those losses anyway.
Exactly
 

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It makes sense; I don't blame Jamie for this either; I think he's doing his best for ISU every day of the year. It just sucks that even when we are on the committee, we (and the conference as a whole) seem to be put in a poor position.

Wasn't their non-con schedule/record what got them into the tourney TJ's first two years in addition to the Big 12 being so good?

I think it was done on purpose due to a bit of a rebuild.
 
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The seeding is what it is. I am less worried about SDSU, WSU, or Drake than I am getting refs from a small conference that have never seen a team play defense like ISU and it turn into free-throw scoring for our opponent and our best guys on the bench in foul trouble. That is the real threat in Omaha for our team. Our physical play is not as common in other leagues so it matters if the officials have ever seen a team play like that.
You have to have done at least 25 games in the P6 plus leagues (P6, Valley, A10, MW, WCC) and have been submitted by one of the 5 consortium directors for consideration to be selected.

They don't pull guys out of the Patriot League or NEC to work the most important games of the year.

Also, from an officiating standpoint getting Wazzu and Drake in the 2nd round is great. The rule the first weekend is that the individual official has to have either seen both teams or neither and the Big 12 and the Valley are in the same consortium and there's a ton of those guys that work for Higgins out west too. You'll have a really deep pool to choose from.
 

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I really don’t think it’s not playing the the blue bloods that caused our SOS to be so bad. It’s that we played the most terrible teams in the terrible conferences. Play the better teams in the terrible conferences and we’d be better off.

And that was exactly what the coaching staff set out to do. We meant to have this schedule as we were told in a bunch of podcasts.

And it did work like they wanted it to. But it turns out the committee didn’t like it.
Neat… now let’s compare conference SOS between Iowa State and the other teams ahead of them. It should all balance out.
 

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Iowa gets KSU in NIT
Me trying decide who I want to win.

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Wasn't their non-con schedule/record what got them into the tourney TJ's first two years in addition to the Big 12 being so good?

I think it was done on purpose due to a bit of a rebrebuild
it is a stupid criterion. Non-con is a subset of the total. If you have a sufficiently high SOS once your conference games are included and if you secure sufficient quad 1 wins, then who gives a flying ****? The committee is stupid if it does.
 

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