comparing golf to gymnastics is apples to oranges. Gymnastics and soccer are arguably the 2 most endurance sports that are out there. Basketball and tennis should be in the conversation as well, definitely ahead of football and baseball.
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comparing golf to gymnastics is apples to oranges. Gymnastics and soccer are arguably the 2 most endurance sports that are out there. Basketball and tennis should be in the conversation as well, definitely ahead of football and baseball.
and therein is my point. Big gap in your logic. Tenths of a point according to two differing opinions will change the outcome ?
No, the point went cleanly over your head. The winners won by about 20 points. No one lost or won a medal by tenths. And that was with my completely inexperienced eye watching. Not by someone who is actually TRAINED in the sport and knows how to judge it.
And you also failed to address the points I made about other sports having their subjective aspects as well.
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Basketball and baseball judges don't always, and necessarily, determine every score and outcome of a game; a home run is true, a 3pointer is true.
Not true for the non-sports, like gymnastics, synco-diving and rhythmic gymnastics, where the opinion of an inconsistent judge determines the winner.
Also, TV replay is correcting many calls for sporting event in baseball, football and basketball, but are replays even used in the non-sporting events; never seen it.
Having just seen this pic of a Water Polo player, I have to reconsider they demands of physical conditioning for this sport :twitcy:
You would be amazed at how consistently you score after seeing the same thing repeatedly. As mentioned, certain skills are worth certain points. Complete it, you get a point. Step out or fail to complete it, you lose x amount. Not much subjective about that. And having multiple judges watching the same thing helps ensure consistency. It's not just one referee or official making a judgement call.
When you judge something like this, you get into a system. You look for the same things. You score things the same.
and it looks like baseball only uses replay for home run calls. Seems like that could make a big difference as far as determining foul balls, safe vs. out, even strike vs. ball. So that means they are still using judgement for a big portion of that sport.
ETA: looks like baseball just changed to add a couple more for 2012. Wiki is not yet updated.
When you judge something like this, you get into a system. You look for the same things. You score things the same.
and it looks like baseball only uses replay for home run calls. Seems like that could make a big difference as far as determining foul balls, safe vs. out, even strike vs. ball. So that means they are still using judgement for a big portion of that sport.
ETA: looks like baseball just changed to add a couple more for 2012. Wiki is not yet updated.
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I don't think anybody is denying that basketball, baseball, football, etc are more objective, but your statement above shows you have no idea how gymnastics is actually scored.
Also, baseball instant replay? Almost NEVER used. I believe it's only been used maybe 5-10 times in history. Most umps just convene and figure out a call. The only time anything is replayed in basketball is for a shot clock/game clock violation. There is actually a time limit on your routine in gymnastics FYI and you get points off for going over. Football is the only sport that legitimately and consistently uses instant replay pretty much every game.
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wait, are you just using your judgement or are you being objective?
This is pretty much an exhibition on how to pi** away a medal.
Don't really need it, because when you hit a home run and beat the other team, one can take pride knowing there they won on their own skill, achievement and merit, not by the subjective opinion of a 3rd party.
I am not saying gymnastics is as objective as baseball, but it is a hell of a lot more objective than you think. I don't need to say it a 6th time. Obviously it's going in one ear and out the other how the actual scoring works.
Watch until the end tonight and you will see some instant replay used in gymnastics.
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I love hearing the story of Albert Belle picking up corks off the ground while his team was celebrating winning a pennant, instead of drinking. So funny hahaha
I'm no baseball expert (I find it incredibly boring, sorry) but I've always thought the umpire's job is incredibly subjective. How can they really tell if a pitch is inside an imaginary box?
I guess they probably get good at telling after watching many, many, many pitches. Because otherwise, you've got ONE person making a judgement call on every pitch of the game.
I guess they probably get good at telling after watching many, many, many pitches. Because otherwise, you've got ONE person making a judgement call on every pitch of the game.
It's subjective and they get stuff wrong sometimes, but after you're trained enough you can tell. Kind of messed up how you can do it considering how fast pitches are thrown at a high level. The umps in the MLB are decently accurate. They do get a handful of ball/strike calls wrong per game and every once in awhile they'll mess up a foul call.
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