Official Bowl Watch thread

[Urbandale2013]

OU gives up 6.01 yards per play; OSU gives up 5.89 yards per play; ISU gives up 5.09 yards per play

Once again, OU's defense is definitively WORSE.

I'm seeing OU at 5.8 and OSU at 5.6. That is 90 and 64 respectively. On offense though OU blows everyone away at 8.8 compared to OSU at 6.6.

For reference we are at 4.9 and have really been sliding lately with our last three being 5.8 so it is a little skewed because our defense hasn't been good this month.

 

[Stormin]

By your definition of "very small", ISU's defense isn't that much better than OU's. Yet OU's yards per play rank is in the bottom 3rd of FBS (90), whereas OSU's rank is in the top half (64) (meanwhile ISU's is in the top quarter (30))

ISU is 4.9 yards per play. Oklahoma is 5.8 yards per play. Ohio State is 5.6 yards per play.

.9 yards is huge. .2 yards not so much. And the #78 team gives up the same 5.8 yards per play. Quit being a complete idiot.

 

[CloneGuy8]

So its most likely Alamo or Camping World bowl, with the Texas bowl being in play if the Big 12 only gets one NY6 bowl, correct?

 

[IASTATE07]

So its most likely Alamo or Camping World bowl, with the Texas bowl being in play if the Big 12 only gets one NY6 bowl, correct?

Try staying on topic.

 

[CyTwins]

So its most likely Alamo or Camping World bowl, with the Texas bowl being in play if the Big 12 only gets one NY6 bowl, correct?

Yes

 

[CTTB78]

Cowherd's take on OU vs. OSU is that he believes only OU has a chance of beating Alabama.

 

[jdoggivjc]

ISU is 4.9 yards per play. Oklahoma is 5.8 yards per play. Ohio State is 5.6 yards per play.

.9 yards is huge. .2 yards not so much. And the #78 team gives up the same 5.8 yards per play. Quit being a complete idiot.

.2 yards over one play isn't a big deal. .2 yards over a season is. Quit being obtuse.

 

[Stormin]

.2 yards over one play isn't a big deal. .2 yards over a season is. Quit being obtuse.

LOL. So what is the 2.2 yards difference in offensive yards per play between Ohio State and Oklahoma offense then?

 

[Urbandale2013]

.2 yards over one play isn't a big deal. .2 yards over a season is. Quit being obtuse.

Ohio State is slightly better but both are bad at defense. Once you get to a certain point there isn’t much of a difference. Neither one is going to regularly stop teams. If you want to make a big deal over .2 then what do you make of the 2.2 yard difference on offense. Oklahoma is clearly the better team. Will they be rewarded for it who knows.

 

[jdoggivjc]

LOL. So what is the 2.2 yards difference in offensive yards per play between Ohio State and Oklahoma offense then?

I’m not the one that cherry-picked one stat as “the only one that matters”. I painted a broad picture with total yards, yards per game, passing yards, running yards, and points allowed. You’re fighting with only one stat, and even that stat objectively shows that OU has a definitively worse defense than OSU. But keep cherry-picking that one statistic as the only one that matters and keep telling yourself that there’s no statistical difference in the defenses.

 

[bluestarcyclone]

Honestly i think yards per game\play is a pretty **** metric anyway.

Points per possession seems like it would be the more valid metric of a defense. Yards don't matter if you can move 50 yards but the defense always buckles down and prevents the score.

But either way, the fact that OSU is giving up almost as many yards per play against the garbage offenses in the big 10 compared to the high-powered offenses in the big 12 says that OSU's defense isn't better than OU's.

 

[jdoggivjc]

Ohio State is slightly better but both are bad at defense. Once you get to a certain point there isn’t much of a difference. Neither one is going to regularly stop teams. If you want to make a big deal over .2 then what do you make of the 2.2 yard difference on offense. Oklahoma is clearly the better team. Will they be rewarded for it who knows.

One defense also gives up a touchdown less per game, but hey - that stat doesn’t paint the picture that the defenses are basically equally as bad, amirite?

 

[jdoggivjc]

Honestly i think yards per game\play is a pretty **** metric anyway.

Points per possession seems like it would be the more valid metric of a defense. Yards don't matter if you can move 50 yards but the defense always buckles down and prevents the score.

But either way, the fact that OSU is giving up almost as many yards per play against the garbage offenses in the big 10 compared to the high-powered offenses in the big 12 says that OSU's defense isn't better than OU's.

The best I can do is OSU has given up 38 offensive TDs to OU’s 51.

https://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/22/p3

 

[Stormin]

I’m not the one that cherry-picked one stat as “the only one that matters”. I painted a broad picture with total yards, yards per game, passing yards, running yards, and points allowed. You’re fighting with only one stat, and even that stat objectively shows that OU has a definitively worse defense than OSU. But keep cherry-picking that one statistic as the only one that matters and keep telling yourself that there’s no statistical difference in the defenses.

LOL. pwned

 

[bluestarcyclone]

The best I can do is OSU has given up 38 offensive TDs to OU’s 51.

https://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/22/p3

That's basically a points\game stat. Against how many possessions though?

And against what quality of offenses?

 

[Urbandale2013]

One defense also gives up a touchdown less per game, but hey - that stat doesn’t paint the picture that the defenses are basically equally as bad, amirite?

The point is both are bad defenses. Only one gets harped on for it nationally. Complaining about OUs defense is a **** argument for Ohio State jumping them.

 

[EarthIsMan]

That's basically a points\game stat. Against how many possessions though?

And against what quality of offenses?

When adjusted to the "average" CFP team Oklahoma scores 3.94 points/possession where as their defense allows 2.79 points/possession. Ohio State scores 3.09 points/possession and allows 2.11 points/possession.

It is not even close if you compare points/play where Oklahoma leads the country at 0.76 (Alabama 2nd at .70) and Ohio State is 0.52 .

p.s. The points/possession values have not been update to reflect the games this past week.

 

[khardbored]

.2 yards over one play isn't a big deal. .2 yards over a season is. Quit being obtuse.

Sorry. Will be acute moving forward.

 

[CNECloneFan]

If Ohio State beats NW and looks good, even decent doing it, they are in.

I'm not saying they deserve it. I'm just facing BCS, I mean CFP reality.

 

[isufbcurt]

Umm, they gave up 40 to Kansas. They give up 40 to everyone. I don't know what their DB's problems are but they look like they are running in sand. Pretty sure I could run right by them.

My point is I don't care about their defensive ranking, they win games. Period!!