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delt4cy said:
We're witnessing a similar scenario as last year unfold. For our Alamo Bowl dreams, let's hope the CFP committee is consistent.

2017: Ohio St. had an embarrassing blowout loss to a middle of the road Iowa later in the season.
OU had a close loss to middle of the road Iowa State early on and recovered.
OU also beat Ohio State on the road, so putting Ohio State in last year would have been incomprehensible.

This year is similar, but the ESPN spin doctors are already hard at work.
2018: OSU has a blowout loss @ middle of the road Purdue
OU has a last second field goal loss to Top 10ish Texas
The difference is the lack of head to head win obviously.

Technically, OU only has 1 win over a ranked opponent (@ #13 WVU), while OSU has 4 wins (#15 TCU, @ #9 Penn St, @ #18 Mich State, and #4 Mich). Even though the snapshot rankings are meaningless, the ESPN talking heads will be spouting this data en masse this week, just watch. They will also be spouting off on the arbitrary "no defense" garbage while fully ignoring the ying to the defensive yang, a great offense.

All that said, I predict a playoff of:
1. Alabama
2. Clemson
3. Notre Dame
4. Oklahoma

That leaves NY6 matchups of:
Sugar - Texas vs. Georgia
Rose - Wash/Utah vs. Ohio St
Fiesta - Michigan vs. UCF
Peach - Penn State vs. Florida

That's a pretty compelling bowl lineup with some classic Blue Blood match-ups.

Iowa State vs. Washington St. in Alamo. Loser of Pac12 Champ will fall to Holiday bowl imo.

I love that matchup! Perfect for our Defense-
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TCU is not ranked. Michigan State is not ranked. Iowa State is ranked. You do not go by the ratings they had when the game was played. You go by the ratings at the end of the year. Ohio State’s defense sucks. They gave up 51 points to Maryland and 49 points to Purdue. West Virginia has one of the most potent offenses in the country. And Kansas put a 55-14 pasting on Rutgers which shows that the Big 12 has damn good offenses throughout the league. Big 12 Offenses run a lot of Offensive plays in a game. Up tempo.

If they are going to go by a single game performance then put Purdue in by virtue of their 49-20 pasting of Ohio State.

Point differential is what should be looked at. And yards per play when you are looking at the defense. Not total yards. If Defense has to defend 70 plays versus 40 plays, hell yes you will give up more yards because there are more plays.

Oklahoma gives up 5.8 yards per play. Ohio State gives up 5.6 yards per play on Defense.

On Offense Oklahoma gains 8.8 yards per play. Ohio State gains 6.6 yards per play. The conversation should be about the Defenses being similar. But that offensively Oklahoma is an offensive juggernaut that leads the Nation and gains 1.1 yards per play more over #2 offense. That is incredible.

https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/opponent-yards-per-play

https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/yards-per-play
 
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jdoggivjc said:
I didn't say there was anything wrong with it. The question was "why do people bag on OU's defense?" I think I laid out pretty explicitly why.
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I think the issue is that Ohio State is similarily bad on defense. No one says a thing about them. OU is far from a good defensive team but they are one of the top 4 teams.
 
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Urbandale2013 said:
I think the issue is that Ohio State is similarily bad on defense. No one says a thing about them. OU is far from a good defensive team but they are one of the top 4 teams.
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The local CBus media is tough on them every week pretty much. it’s the national media that licks the Buckeye balls.

The local media gets pretty whacky sometimes like calling for Haskins to be benched when Meyer got off suspension because he wasn’t a run threat.

Boss was a big loss that whole defense changes if he’s playing.
 
Urbandale2013 said:
I think the issue is that Ohio State is similarily bad on defense. No one says a thing about them. OU is far from a good defensive team but they are one of the top 4 teams.
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Comparitave numbers for OSU:

73rd in total yards with 4786
68th in yards per game with 399
78th in total passing yards with 2851
63rd in total rushing yards with 1935
57th in points per game with 25.8

OSU has a mediocre defense statistically where OU's is flat out awful.

For the record, I still think OU gets in over OSU. It's just OU's defense is that bad, whereas statistically OSU's defense isn't as bad as everyone wants it to be.
 
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jdoggivjc said:
Comparitave numbers for OSU:

73rd in total yards with 4786
68th in yards per game with 399
78th in total passing yards with 2851
63rd in total rushing yards with 1935
57th in points per game with 25.8

OSU has a mediocre defense statistically where OU's is flat out awful.

For the record, I still think OU gets in over OSU. It's just OU's defense is that bad, whereas statistically OSU's defense isn't as bad as everyone wants it to be.
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Yards per game is not a valid comparison. Yards PER PLAY is the metric that should be used.

One team defends against 40 plays and gives up 250 yards. Over 6 yards per play. The other team defends against 60 plays and gives up 300 yards. 5 yards per play.

Which team really has the better defense?
 
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Stormin said:
TCU is not ranked. Michigan State is not ranked. Iowa State is ranked. You do not go by the ratings they had when the game was played. You go by the ratings at the end of the year.
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Exactly. This is my point. The Sports Media crowd shouldn't inflate what OSU has accomplished, because their only real quality wins are Michigan and @ Penn State. OU quality wins are ISU and WVU on the road.

I think that's the achilles heal of OU to the Playoff though, not defense as ESPN would have you believe. Their best quality wins are two ~Top 20 and one ~Top 10 (counting Texas), while OSU will have 2 in the ~Top 10 and 1 in the Top ~20 (Northwestern). If you're angling for a pro-Ohio State argument, that's your path.

If the committee conveniently forgets about or minimizes OSU performance against Purdue and Maryland, and at the same time punishes OU for this arbitrary concept of "bad defense" it will be a shame. Hopefully the committee is smarter and more thorough than that.
 
Stormin said:
Yards per game is not a valid comparison. Yards PER PLAY is the metric that should be used.

One team defends against 40 plays and gives up 250 yards. Over 6 yards per play. The other team defends against 60 plays and gives up 300 yards. 5 yards per play.

Which team really has the better defense?
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OU gives up 6.01 yards per play; OSU gives up 5.89 yards per play; ISU gives up 5.09 yards per play

Once again, OU's defense is definitively WORSE.
 
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Iowa State vs Washington State would be fun. They have a lot of similarities to us. That being said it would be fun to play a traditional power somewhere. Either way, hoping for the Alamo Bowl
 
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jdoggivjc said:
The NCAA website only gives the top 50 teams, so I couldn't even get OU's numbers if I wanted to research that far. And ESPN only gives the yards, not the number of plays, so I can't do the math on that.
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I posted links. Pretty easy to click on them.
 
delt4cy said:
Exactly. This is my point. The Sports Media crowd shouldn't inflate what OSU has accomplished, because their only real quality wins are Michigan and @ Penn State. OU quality wins are ISU and WVU on the road.

I think that's the achilles heal of OU to the Playoff though, not defense as ESPN would have you believe. Their best quality wins are two ~Top 20 and one ~Top 10 (counting Texas), while OSU will have 2 in the ~Top 10 and 1 in the Top ~20 (Northwestern). If you're angling for a pro-Ohio State argument, that's your path.

If the committee conveniently forgets about or minimizes OSU performance against Purdue and Maryland, and at the same time punishes OU for this arbitrary concept of "bad defense" it will be a shame. Hopefully the committee is smarter and more thorough than that.
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You’re forgetting Army. That makes 4 top 25 wins for OU.
 
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cycloneG said:
OU's defense is certainly worse than OSU's but OU's offense is better than OSU'


Anyway you look at it, OU has a worse defense. Also, OU has a better offense. Teams win in different ways which is all that matters.
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Which is EXACTLY what I said earlier in this thread. OU isn't beating anyone with it's defense; it's beating (almost) everyone because it's opponent can't keep up with them on the scoreboard - and yet everyone wants to continue fighting me on this point.
 
jdoggivjc said:
Which is EXACTLY what I said earlier in this thread. OU isn't beating anyone with it's defense; it's beating (almost) everyone because it's opponent can't keep up with them on the scoreboard - and yet everyone wants to continue fighting me on this point.
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I'm agreeing with you.
 
Stormin said:
By a very small margin OU has a worse defense. By a very Large Margin Oklahoma has a better offense.
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By your definition of "very small", ISU's defense isn't that much better than OU's. Yet OU's yards per play rank is in the bottom 3rd of FBS (90), whereas OSU's rank is in the top half (64) (meanwhile ISU's is in the top quarter (30))
 
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delt4cy said:
We're witnessing a similar scenario as last year unfold. For our Alamo Bowl dreams, let's hope the CFP committee is consistent.

2017: Ohio St. had an embarrassing blowout loss to a middle of the road Iowa later in the season.
OU had a close loss to middle of the road Iowa State early on and recovered.
OU also beat Ohio State on the road, so putting Ohio State in last year would have been incomprehensible.

This year is similar, but the ESPN spin doctors are already hard at work.
2018: OSU has a blowout loss @ middle of the road Purdue
OU has a last second field goal loss to Top 10ish Texas
The difference is the lack of head to head win obviously.

Technically, OU only has 1 win over a ranked opponent (@ #13 WVU), while OSU has 4 wins (#15 TCU, @ #9 Penn St, @ #18 Mich State, and #4 Mich). Even though the snapshot rankings are meaningless, the ESPN talking heads will be spouting this data en masse this week, just watch. They will also be spouting off on the arbitrary "no defense" garbage while fully ignoring the ying to the defensive yang, a great offense.

All that said, I predict a playoff of:
1. Alabama
2. Clemson
3. Notre Dame
4. Oklahoma

That leaves NY6 matchups of:
Sugar - Texas vs. Georgia
Rose - Wash/Utah vs. Ohio St
Fiesta - Michigan vs. UCF
Peach - Penn State vs. Florida

That's a pretty compelling bowl lineup with some classic Blue Blood match-ups.

Iowa State vs. Washington St. in Alamo. Loser of Pac12 Champ will fall to Holiday bowl imo.

I love that matchup! Perfect for our Defense-
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Plus a month’s worth of Mike Leach quotes to accompany that nearly $8M payout
 
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