***OFFICIAL BIG 12 EXPANSION THREAD 2.0***
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My goodness... Where will it stop?
I hope like hell the feds remove any tax exemption from all college athletic departments. I know it would hurt us but it is what college athletics deserve.
I hope like hell the feds remove any tax exemption from all college athletic departments. I know it would hurt us but it is what college athletics deserve.
When people stop watching and being so fanatical about college sports.
I would not be surprised they finish realignment, bundle the 4 superconference networks together, separate from the NCAA, and go to an 8 team playoff. Your division within the conference is like what used to be a conference.
This is one reason I hope the top division splits away. They play by a whole different set of rules then the other divisions and I would agree don't deserve tax exemption. I think division 2,3 and probably FCS still do though
Nebraska NEVER was in favor of equal distribution of revenue when they were a member of the Big XII. NEVER. When they joined the Big 10 it was mandatory that all revenue be split equally.
You are making it sound like Nebraska wanted revenue to be shared equally in the Big XII when they realized that Texas was getting more. That was NOT the case.
I don't think he said that at all... He said they did a 180 by deciding to join the B1G
I remember that 11-1 vote to make Texas the permanent location for the Big 12 football championship game. Everyone rolled over for the Longhorns but Nebraska...
He stated that Nebraska was in favor of unequal distribution until they realized that Texas would always be bigger......which implies that they were suddenly in favor of equal distribution in the Big XII.
Nebraska voted WITH Texas on every revenue distribution measure when they were in the Big XII. They were ALWAYS in favor of unequal revenue distribution. ALWAYS.
Nebraska saw an opportunity to bolt the Big 12 for the Big 10 because they perceived an opportunity for even more money for themselves by doing so. The distribution of revenue in the Big 10 was not up for negotiation. I agree that the decision was a complete 180 as far as Nebraska's previous stance concerning revenue distribution. Just wanted to clarify that Nebraska was given every opportunity to keep the Conference stable and also to vote for equal revenue distribution. And they never once supported that.
Isn't it ironic that now that Nebraska has left that both Texas and Oklahoma voted FOR Equal Revenue Distribution? No doubt about it that Nebraska was a big part of the problems of the Big XII. Good riddance to them. In the long run the Big 10 will regret having them as they become more and more mediocre and their days of past glory become more and more distant.
That's what I was saying, you're in violent agreement with me. They split when they realized they weren't Texas and sharing in the big ten with NW could make them more than being unequal partners in the b12.
Mizzou and a&am I'm not as sure about, LHN and the instability it caused were facilitated by Neb.
Your wording made it sound like Nebraska was wanting equal revenue distribution in the Big 12 because Texas would always have the advantage over them. And I just wanted to clear things up that was not the case at all.
Nebraska was very happy getting more money than all the have nots even if it meant they got less money than a couple of teams like Texas and Oklahoma.
Nebraska has always been greedy and looked out only for themselves. They care for no one and nothing but themselves.
With Mizzou and aTm it was more of a situation where they felt they were slighted and inferior. So they got an SEC offer and bolted.
As far as ISU is concerned things have worked out pretty well IMO. We have equal revenue sharing now as a result. We also have a stable conference with the signing away of rights to the conference. We need to hold tight and not expand at this time. There is no reason to do so.
you are right and wrong. Nebraska was never in favor of equal distribution in the big 12, as stated. They finally realized though, they just couldn't beat Texas on the field, so they looked at the big 10, overestimated their powerhouse standing and we're willing to give equal distribution of money, in favor of winning championships against lesser competition.
They just didn't realize they weren't a great football team anymore. And even the Big 10 has better teams than they are.
The only reason I wish Nebraska was still in our conference, is because I believe we have as good a chance of beating them as any other team in the big 12 not named UT, OU or Baylor.
In fact I think we'd beat NU more than KSU since Snyder brought his snaggle tooth back to the cats.
Osbornes ego definitely got the best of him in this move.
In the end, nebbie's overall athletic department gained from the move, their volleyball, men's bb, wrestling, etc have benefitted from being in the big 10.
The problem was that this move was made for fb. And their fb prorgram is ever increasingly in danger of becoming irrelevant. They are experiencing the true understanding of being on an island on their own. They are the only plains school in what has become an eastern conference.
Now, they are fortunate that the conference that they play in is ridiculously bad, so their death will be a slow one. But, make no mistake, their days as a power are behind them.
Not true. Perlman (NU Chancellor) voted as well.
http://web.archive.org/web/20110923181331/http://omaha.com/article/20100830/BIGRED/708309872/-1
Read that article. It debunks 90% of the misinformation on NU's move and it's straight from Perlman. Huskers weren't looking until tipped off that UT looked around.
Here is the timeline:
Dec 2009- Big Ten announces it will consider expansion
Late Dec- MO Governor lobbies for Mizzou to go
CU AD reaches out to PAC10 due to Gov's comments.
http://www.cubuffs.com/fls/600/media/2010-11/May_8_ath.pdf
Larry Scott pitches Pac16 idea to UT at the national title weekend in Pasadena where UT was participating. It's very likely they tried to pair UT and CU alone but UT balked at that.
Why would UT look at that point? TV Deal. If the TV deal lost it's 2 biggest markets outside of TX (Denver & St Louis) there were concerns it wouldn't be competitive.
NU ends up stealing the Mizzou spot and CU leaves. TV guys show the money will be there and UT recommits within 48 hours. All 3 other offers from the PAC were contingent on UT per a radio interview with the Tech president in 2011.
The crazy money from LHN was not what brought them back though. It was expected to MAYBE get 3mm after an expensive startup.
The dumb thing about Mizzou...that instability was actually facilitated by Mizzou. Nebraska wasn't even considering the B1G until Mizzou openly campaigned to get in. That also led CU to leave (however they had their eye on the PAC for awhile.)
I've sat here watching these f'ng Pac12 Network commercials pop up all weekend and I just keep getting more p#ssed off. The B1G, SEC, and PAC all have a network on national broadcast, but the Big12 has nothing - largely because of the Longhorn Network and poor conference management.
Why have two people in this discussion told me I'm wrong, then state exactly what I just stated as correct?
Nebraska supported unequal revenue sharing all along, with visions that it would somehow help them be the big dog. It became apparent that with an unequal model they were never going to be on equal or greater footing than Texas (and only Nebraska football ego allowed that to persist that long) so they bolted for a league where they'd share equally with the smallest athletic departments but still get more cash than their non-equal deal in the B12.
The atmosphere that lead to the creation of LHN could never have come about without Nebraska basically being in favor of rules that eventually caused conference instability. Agree with others that they thought it was a football move but in the long run it may help all their other programs and lead to Nebraska football being an afterthought, they'll never out-recruit Ohio State, Notre Dame, Penn State and Michigan within the B1G conference footprint, they'll be lucky to hang with Wisc, MSU and Iowa long term trying to get midwest city kids and warm weather state kids to come out to cold middle of nowhere. First thing they need to do is drop a coach who is simply repugnant.
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I know it wouldn't be SEC, BTN or even PAC network, but what's to stop 5 to 9 other Big 12 schools from consolidating their networks or even just contributing content to an individual channel? If the MWC can have "the mountain", 8 or 9 Big 12 schools could have a network in place of or in addition to things like cyclones.tv.
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