This seems a more likely outcome.
And anyone who gives the Dude any credit is a moron.
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This seems a more likely outcome.
And anyone who gives the Dude any credit is a moron.
"The Dude" hasn't proven himself beyond a reasonable doubt???? Has he been right about anything in the last 2 years? I don't dismiss "the Dude" because he is a Twitter *****, I dismiss him because he hasn't been right about anything, at least since I've been reading his drivel.
I think "the Dude" is probably either:
1) a disgruntled WVU fan who would like to see the Big 12 break apart
2) a tool being used to disseminate FUD from a "source" working for an organization (like the Big Ten) that would like to generate instability in the current conference arrangements
Since it hasn't been reported anywhere else, is it really plausible that "the Dude" would be the only person to know that OU, KU, and UT have had discussions with the Big Ten in the last month? And how would he know this? Does it really seem plausible that he would have somebody leaking info to him from all three of OU, KU, and UT? The only other way for someone to know this would be on the Big Ten side, and it would be completely idiotic for someone in the Big Ten to leak word of these meetings, as it would destroy any trust between OU/KU/UT and the Big Ten.
To be frank, your post sounds an awful lot like "the Dude". Do you have any facts, other than "the Dude"'s post, to support your doomsday scenario?
I actually wouldn't be that concerned if the Big 12 did fall apart. I think that would indicate conferences going past 16 teams, and I think ISU would end up safe. We're a large public school with strong fan support and excellent academics as well as a financial commitment to athletics. All we lack is a state with a big population, and in the current environment, that doesn't mean as much as it did a couple of years ago. The Big 10 Network model isn't going to work forever. Eventually, ratings and fan interest will matter.
The schools willing and able to compete in high level athletics will get their chance. We aren't going to be locked out due to media bias or small population.
The schools willing and able to compete in high level athletics will get their chance. We aren't going to be locked out due to media bias or small population.
isu is in a better position than k-state because of aau status. that's just facing the brutal facts. but i can't imagine why ou and ut would want this to end. it has never made sense to me when you're the top dog to walk away from your pack.
That is an incredibly optimistic viewpoint...given that some sort of a la carte cable programming would have to happen shortly for Conferences to change their strategy. I would feel much better about it though if D4 was fully implemented and it effectively weeded out a few of these bottom programs that people have typically been advocating for over us.
If you take the name "Iowa State" away from us and just look at our stats, and posed the question "is there anyway this school gets left out?", the answer is going to be "no".
Even if the money would be better in the Big 10, the geography for Texas would be pretty bad. I think fan support would take a slight bit because it would be harder for them to get to games and could you really imagine Texas playing 2 November aways games anywhere in Big 10 country?
This ISU "Dude" says it's just as likely for Michigan and OSU to see they're in a watered down has been conference and join the B12...or FSU and Clemson for that matter. Or all of the above.
Just to put this out there, I agree with you. And yet, all of Cyclone Nation is fully gray-haired out from the realignment process and discussions that occurred from 2010 to 2012. As good as our "stats" were, the fact was that we were looking at being in the financial doldrums. I will forever be humbled by those events.
To those who say "Has the Dude been right about anything?"
Admittedly, you might have followed him more closely than I.
However, I like I said before, he was the one talking about the potential deal between the Big 12 and ND. ND joins in all sports but football, with 5 football games against Big 12 opponents.
Did it happen? No. But it's the exact deal they took with the ACC. Fill in the dots, and it means they had their choice of which conference to take the deal with and the conversations with the Big 12 were likely real. The Dude had said before Texas wanted ND before anyone else.
Yeah, I'll buy that as possible. I admit I require a low burden of proof when theorizing athletic conference conspiracies on a message board.
And sure, the Dude may be a giant liar. But if there's one thing I've learned from CF, nobody here has any idea what they're talking about either. Go ahead and say Texas has no reason to leave. You're the one being confident in something you don't actually know. I'm not confident in anything except that Texas will always be Texas--which leaves reason for suspicion.
Admittedly, you might have followed him more closely than I.
However, I like I said before, he was the one talking about the potential deal between the Big 12 and ND. ND joins in all sports but football, with 5 football games against Big 12 opponents.
Did it happen? No. But it's the exact deal they took with the ACC. Fill in the dots, and it means they had their choice of which conference to take the deal with and the conversations with the Big 12 were likely real. The Dude had said before Texas wanted ND before anyone else.
Yeah, I'll buy that as possible. I admit I require a low burden of proof when theorizing athletic conference conspiracies on a message board.
And sure, the Dude may be a giant liar. But if there's one thing I've learned from CF, nobody here has any idea what they're talking about either. Go ahead and say Texas has no reason to leave. You're the one being confident in something you don't actually know. I'm not confident in anything except that Texas will always be Texas--which leaves reason for suspicion.
We survived twice.
There is no school in the "have nots" that remotely resembles ISU. You've been scarred by too many internet prognosticators that are wholly ignorant about ISU assuming we're shell of what we actually are.
Haha...nice. It is obvious that most of the fans in the Big 10 absolutely hate that they added Maryland and Rutgers, and I really don't think they're going to get over it. Maryland fans here in DC really didn't even seem to care about the move...I don't even think they really know what conference they are in now.
You pretty much said that already last night and repeating it doesn't make it any more true.
0% chance at this stage of ISU being left behind. Absolutely no worries. You are still living in the past of the 2010/11 scenarios when things seemed dire. The direction of CFB is such that those already at the table will have a seat now. It's just a matter of how many more will be included beyond what is already there in the Power 5. Texas can do what they want (which is to stay in the Big 12 BTW) and I won't lose an ounce of sleep over it.
My thoughts:
1. Do you really think Nebraska will have ANYTHING to do with being in the same conference as Texas? Maybe Oklahoma, but if Nebby got any serious wind of letting Texas into the B1G, I can't see them letting it happen easy.
2. Iowa State will have a landing spot somewhere. Even if its being the more northern school in the SEC, they will have a landing spot. Due to ISU's academics and AAU status, it wouldn't surprise me to see ISU join Kansas State, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State in some sort of Midwestern pod of the PAC12.
3. GORs usually get renewed several years in advance of their expiration. If any current school in the Big 12 is stalling on that, then that will tip their hand to all the other schools.
4. I do believe that the Big 12 should expand by adding two more schools. This could happen a number of ways. It wouldn't shock me to see LSU want into the Big 12. Their fan base it becoming more and more discontent on their scheduling and otherwise favoritism towards Alabama. This is what set Nebraska over the edge in the Big 12. Now, I really doubt that happens, however if it did, it wouldn't shock me to see another team from the SEC come over with them...that team would like be Arkansas.
If the status quo is going to be kept, then I would like to see BYU and Colorado State join the Big 12. BYU is an obvious choice, and as long as Colorado State keeps up with building their facilities and doing well in both major sports, I think they would be a serious candidate. Rumblings are that the Big 12 has already had discussions with Colorado state...but nothing more serious than "where do you see yourself in 5 years" type of talks. Adding Utah and Colorado would expand the media footprint and overall footprint of the conference.
I know adding two teams out west would not be favorable to West Virginia...I hate to say it, but they knew what they were signing up for when they joined the BIG 12. Adding more Islands out east does not make any sense. Unless the Island's names are Notre Dame or Florida State.
1. Do you really think Nebraska will have ANYTHING to do with being in the same conference as Texas? Maybe Oklahoma, but if Nebby got any serious wind of letting Texas into the B1G, I can't see them letting it happen easy.
2. Iowa State will have a landing spot somewhere. Even if its being the more northern school in the SEC, they will have a landing spot. Due to ISU's academics and AAU status, it wouldn't surprise me to see ISU join Kansas State, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State in some sort of Midwestern pod of the PAC12.
3. GORs usually get renewed several years in advance of their expiration. If any current school in the Big 12 is stalling on that, then that will tip their hand to all the other schools.
4. I do believe that the Big 12 should expand by adding two more schools. This could happen a number of ways. It wouldn't shock me to see LSU want into the Big 12. Their fan base it becoming more and more discontent on their scheduling and otherwise favoritism towards Alabama. This is what set Nebraska over the edge in the Big 12. Now, I really doubt that happens, however if it did, it wouldn't shock me to see another team from the SEC come over with them...that team would like be Arkansas.
If the status quo is going to be kept, then I would like to see BYU and Colorado State join the Big 12. BYU is an obvious choice, and as long as Colorado State keeps up with building their facilities and doing well in both major sports, I think they would be a serious candidate. Rumblings are that the Big 12 has already had discussions with Colorado state...but nothing more serious than "where do you see yourself in 5 years" type of talks. Adding Utah and Colorado would expand the media footprint and overall footprint of the conference.
I know adding two teams out west would not be favorable to West Virginia...I hate to say it, but they knew what they were signing up for when they joined the BIG 12. Adding more Islands out east does not make any sense. Unless the Island's names are Notre Dame or Florida State.
You're right. Geography is the primary argument against this BS. Remember, these Wronghorn doooshbags will only play us in the first or second conference game of the season in Ames because they're afraid of the cold weather. So if they're afraid of cold weather with us what would they do w/ Minny, Mich, Mich St, Ill, Ohio State, Northwestern, Penn St, Purdue, Ind, Iowa. If we're cold weather, then their whole season would be cold in the B1G.
And other university presidents and conference commissioners recognize this. I would just ask all the nervous nellies if they could present a precedent of a program fitting our profile that has been demoted?
Personally I really enjoy realignment talk and don't sweat it at all. ISU football belongs to top tier Land Grant AAU institution and has survived for 120 (?) years. We will survive. Have fun people!
Go Cyclones!
We were never looking at the Financial doldrums. Worst case scenario was a Big East that looked like this:
PITT
'Cuse
UCONN
USF
WVU
'Ville
Rutgers
Mizzou
ISU
KSU
KU
Baylor
That conference wouldn't make as much as the current Big 12, but it certainly wouldn't be in the 'doldrums'.
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