Hence the reason for GOR in the ACC so sudden? Also, did they really think that it would not hurt the product? Lets face it a lot of people do not like change and look at what we lost in rivalry games within the conferences.
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Yes exactly, I was not arguing with WHAT happened. I am saying if the decision had been mine then Louisville, not TCU, would have been the quick fix to ten. They were begging to get in at the time.
Then if/when Missouri left the next choice back to ten would have been WVU, TCU or Cincy.
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I always had Louisville as my #1 non-ACC realistic expansion choice. Al is trying to rewrite history both in terms of what people on this site thought and Louisville's ease of availability to the Big 12. If Mega Thread were still around it would be easily proven that myself and dozens of other CF'ers were much more supportive of Louisville than WVU or TCU even when Missouri and A&M were both still on board. Many of us wanted them and another team for 12. They're the #1 revenue basketball program in the nation and have been for a decade, their football has been above average for quite a while and they've expanded/improved their stadium recently so I'm not sure what more is required. They fit the footprint well while not overlapping existing markets so I guess that's a negative somehow.
A lot of people preferred Louisville to TCU, but I remember thinking WVU was a long shot for the Big 12, and people were absolutely thrilled when they came on board.
WVU has won 3 BCS bowls since 2005, and had a final 4 appearance. There was a lot of smoke that they were SEC bound before Mizzou got the nod.
Louisville fell to the most desperate major conference for a reason.
I wasn't suggesting Louisville is the reason for the ACC GOR. What I was trying to suggest is that the ACC GOR essentially slams the door on any B10 raids of the ACC until the ACC GOR expires.
Got ya.
IF it expires. The idea is that these things get renewed in advance of their expiration.
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Let's get cerebral here...
For both schools and TV networks, what is the benefit of conference membership relative to independence?
For both schools and TV networks, what is the benefit of conference membership relative to independence?
For schools, affiliation creates legitimacy. For networks, I'd assume it mainly revolves around the ease of having a few grouped television contracts in comparison to individual contracts.
Well, league officials were wrong again. It is about eyeballs and not rivalries. Cincy or Louisville are more appealing than TCU and on a par with WVU. In hindsight, we probably screwed up in our haste.
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One year of success doesn't erase the fact that Louisville is a small commuter school with little to no name value and ridiculous athletic department accounting principles. In hindsight, WVa and TCU are still and will forever be the correct decisions. Not to mention that TCU and WVa are going to bring more 'eyeballs' than either Louisville or Cincy.
I am not upset with the additions of TCU and WVU, but WVU seems to have buyers remorse. I wanted Louisville and Pitt along with TCU and WVU to get to 12. I still think the Big Ten is not done raiding. Honestly I wish the conference would go back to the original 12 with the GOR, equal revenue sharing, and the TV contract we have now.
Not sure about that. TCU is just one more Texas team when the big boy is now A&M on the national stage. WVU is so far away and will lose their appeal some by scheduling league opponent thousands of miles away. Unless you get them another team in the northeast, they are isolated. With Rutgers and Maryland going BIG, guess what? In the area, the BIG will be more popular than B12. Why do you think Delaney took Maryland? To hurt B12 and WVU is one of the reasons.
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To get the dc market and east coast exposure...i guarantee wvu and bigxii were not a concern of his in the recent expansion.
Ok, give your reasons why he added Maryland and Rutgers. AAU status is not much of an argument to get to 14. It is mostly about eyeballs in Jersey and NYC and DC and selling BIG Network to Comcast and Verizon. This is why we need a real B12 Network so we don't have to philander with sports cable people.
WVU does not have buyer's remorse. A couple of morons on Blue & Gold News do.
I'm reading your recent posts here and scratching my head. Did a human overtake your bot account?
I am just finding it hard why we chose WVU over every other possibility. Even TCU is a puzzle. I see TCU as reaching the status of a fairly good football team with the best recruits still going to UT, A&M, and Okie schools. Their bball team will probably languish. I see WVU fball recruiting being more difficult as all their neighbors play in other conferences. I see WVU bball lower tier unless BobbyH goes and recruits better athletes in NYC. Both these schools have a long ways to go to adjust to B12. Louisville would have been a quicker fit. In fact their bball is better than B12, even for a commuter school. Their football was okay. Cincy is further away from being outstanding in bball or fball. Guess I was not impressed with what WVU and TCU brought to the conference this year.
Recent success doesn't dictate who is in charge, saying that aTm is the 'big boy' of Texas is borderline ridiculous. You're basing your opinions too much on the current time while completely ignoring historical and projected trends. Also the distance thing is a little overblown. It's 2013, we have ******* planes, they'll be fine.
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