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***OFFICIAL BIG 12 EXPANSION THREAD 2.0***

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JayhawkScott said:
Well who would you add then that would actually come? Because the Big 12 doesn't have any good options which is why I said at the beginning I don't think we should expand. If we have to though, there are no good options left so take two that have potential and fit them into a geographic division.
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I wouldn't take "UNI"... or NIU for that matter...

You don't take bums simply to add teams.
 
If we were chasing market alone, seems like CSU, UNLV, BYU, Memphis & Tulane would be the best options. If we want actual competition and not have to build their programs for the next 10 years, Boise, UConn & Cincy would be the only viable options. USF honorable mention. I wouldn't be happy with any of them. UL was a better option than all of them and we turned them down.
 
JayhawkScott said:
Firstly, I have to say I don't want the Big 12 to expand at all. If we HAVE to add two teams I've changed my mind several times depending what is going on with other conferences but am currently of the opinion that Northern Illinois and Cincinnati would be best for us. I know some may laugh at UNI, but I think they may be a diamond in the rough for the Big 12.

The ACC,SEC, Pac, BigTen schools are all off limits. BYU and Boise State are too far away. USF/UCF would make for division headaches, not to mention that even though they get you into Florida they are at best #4 and #5 in terms of interest in their home state. FSU/UF/Miami already have too much football history for us to really gain much viewership in Florida which is what the big tv execs want for our tv contracts.

Look at UNI. They could solve some problems for the Big 12. One, they along with Cincinnati would bridge a gap between the founding members of the league and WVU and two they get us into the 3rd largest market in the United States (Chicago) and the 5th highest population state in the nation. They are really only competing with Illinois and Northwestern in their state. These are two schools that don't really have a lot of long term success in football. If you place UNI in a very winnable North Division and rotate the Big XII football championship games between Dallas and Soldier Field, you're going to start winning over a significant portion of the Chicago market. You could also probably host a couple basketball tournaments there as well although I don't know if they'd be as successful. The exposure would be great for our league.

Why go to Florida and compete with two strong leagues, the SEC and ACC when you can go to just outside of Chicago and try and compete for viewers there with only the Big Ten? It would give ISU another close game too and would help for all of our nonrevenue sports in that division to have closer games. We could also mandate that for Cincinnati and UNI to be included that they must expand their stadiums and until they do they play big games like home vs. OU/UT in Paul Brown Stadium and Soldier Field.
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There's no way you typed that with a straight face. They make a BCS bowl in football and now theyre a hot commodity for years to come? I firmly believe last year's Iowa State, KState, Oklahoma State or Kansas basketball teams would have beaten NI by 80 if the starters played 30 minutes. We dont need another TCU/Texas Tech-type basketball program in this conference.

No expansion is better than stupid expansion my friend.
 
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I've probably been one of the more devoted followers of this whole mess, all the way down to being interested in things like Old Dominion bumping up to CUSA and the plight of FBS Idaho being completely left out in the cold that most people care little about...but at the Big 12 level this is completely 100% dead now unless the Big Ten and SEC somehow find a way to steal an ACC team (or a Big 12 team). It would take more than Maryland getting out without a huge penalty, it would take another ACC team actually leaving...then I'd say 90% chance the Big 12 goes to 12-16 teams somehow.
 
State43 said:
If we were chasing market alone, seems like CSU, UNLV, BYU, Memphis & Tulane would be the best options. If we want actual competition and not have to build their programs for the next 10 years, Boise, UConn & Cincy would be the only viable options. USF honorable mention. I wouldn't be happy with any of them. UL was a better option than all of them and we turned them down.
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I still wish the Big 12 would have went with Louisville and Cincy to go to 12. It would have made a nice and neat footprint map, allowed for reasonable travel among the schools, kept some regional, albeit Big East rivalries intact, and would have added decent quality programs. Cincy's a decent school.

If Tulane someday pulls itself out of the dumpster it fell into, in terms of football and a fan base, capturing New Orleans would be a good market/recruiting grounds to break into. That might take 10 years though. It's also an AAU school, so it would help the Big 12 recover from the academic losses of Colorado, A&M, and Mizzou.
 
The University of Phoenix really should be in the mix if UNI or NIU are on the radar.

Maybe promote Coe College or annex that entire conference
 
If we HAD to add two - which we won't nor do I want us to - then you add UCONN and Cincinatti - unless Louisville can be added before they officially join the ACC. Go with Geography and TV's - focus on basketball- and start drinking and say how we missed the boat with others.

but it won't happen - and I'll drink anyway
 
Let's Go State said:
If we HAD to add two - which we won't nor do I want us to - then you add UCONN and Cincinatti - unless Louisville can be added before they officially join the ACC. Go with Geography and TV's - focus on basketball- and start drinking and say how we missed the boat with others.

but it won't happen - and I'll drink anyway
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I would strongly push for either BYU or a florida team. I think those open the most tv's for us and give us programs that have the highest potential. Cincy is limited IMO and UConn is located in an area of the nation that is a college sports wasteland.
 
Al_4_State said:
Does anyone but the most addled realignment junkies think that the Big 12 will be forced to add 2 teams?
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Once you start shooting liquefied realignment rumors from Twitter between your toes you just can't stop. You just don't know, man, you don't know.
 
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