***OFFICIAL BIG 12 EXPANSION THREAD 2.0***

[Die4Cy]

Many WVU fans complaining about being on an island this morning now that Louisville will be playing all of WVU's old rivals in the ACC. The Big 12 was a bigger step up than most of them thought. Reading their board it seems like many would put the diaper back on if they could, and play the kind of cupcake schedule they had grown accustomed to in the Big East.

Personally, I think a successful Big 12 expansion would not have included Louisville anyway, although their teams would have been competitive. The Big 12 simply needs bigger impact teams with enough eyeballs to expand our footprint, and the only teams that can do that are the football powers of the ACC. And we won't get the opportunity to choose them until both the SEC and B1G run out of slots.

 

[Daserop]

We really need to get on this expansion train I want the conference to get back to 12 and get the other 4th non-con game and championship game.

ACC now has 14
SEC has 14
Big 10 now has 14
PAC 12 with 12
Big 12 with 10..

 

[chuckd4735]

I don't get the fascination with Louisville at all. Small fan base and a small TV market. The ACC failed pretty hard here at not taking UConn, IMO. Would of been a much better choice for them.

 

[cyfanatic]

Personally, I think a successful Big 12 expansion would not have included Louisville anyway, although their teams would have been competitive. The Big 12 simply needs bigger impact teams with enough eyeballs to expand our footprint, and the only teams that can do that are the football powers of the ACC. And we won't get the opportunity to choose them until both the SEC and B1G run out of slots.

Pretty much agree...but the word "choose" might really mean that we are forced to "accept" the leftovers.

 

[chuckd4735]

We have plenty of football games in Texas. Look at what adding Louisville could have added to the MBB profile vs. TCU.

21,000 fans for Louisville basketball. TCU will probably average 2,100.

ISU would of had 1 football game in Texas every other year instead of having 2 each year. Thats a big thing IMO. If you want a good basketball draw, go get UConn. Large fanbase, and a large TV market

 

[Clark]

So I guess it's time for a intermission before the next round of realignment.

 

[Die4Cy]

ESPN reports that adding Louisville does not provide any extra $$$ for the ACC media rights deal.

ACC votes to add Louisville Cardinals, source says - ESPN

Next flash point moment for the ACC will be when they attempt to pass a grant of rights for TV holders when their contract that includes some games with Notre Dame is finalized. Another point of opportunity will be when it becomes known exactly how much from $50 million Maryland gets their penalty reduced.

 

[ISUAgronomist]

ISU would of had 1 football game in Texas every other year instead of having 2 each year. Thats a big thing IMO.

This years recruiting class as it stands (w/ Meeks)

Texas kids - 7

Florida kids - 8

Hint, not everything at ISU should revolve around Texas.

 

[chuckd4735]

This years recruiting class as it stands (w/ Meeks)

Texas kids - 7

Florida kids - 8

Hint, not everything at ISU should revolve around Texas.

I don't disagree, but you said you would rather have Louisville than TCU. How many Kentucky kids do we have?

 

[ISUAgronomist]

I don't disagree, but you said you would rather have Louisville than TCU. How many Kentucky kids do we have?

I pointed out my reasoning. Their football program is decent and their MBB program is lightyears ahead of TCU. They have growth potential in football and will always be way ahead of TCU in MBB.

Not everything needs to revolve around Texas.

 

[UNIGuy4Cy]

Losing Louisville is a big blow to the Big 12 IMO, I assume they were in any future expansion plans.

 

[chuckd4735]

I pointed out my reasoning. Their football program is decent and their MBB program is lightyears ahead of TCU. They have growth potential in football and will always be way ahead of TCU in MBB.

Not everything needs to revolve around Texas.

But they bring in less fan and a small TV market.

None of this is about competitiveness.

 

[UNIGuy4Cy]

But they bring in less fan and a small TV market.

None of this is about competitiveness.

Lets not be dumb here, this was a direct shot by the ACC at the Big 12.

 

[ISUAgronomist]

But they bring in less fan and a small TV market.

None of this is about competitiveness.

TCU brings a media market we already own. ALL OF TEXAS. There was no market gain adding them. Find a city in Texas where you can't watch a Big 12 football game...

 

[Clark]

But they bring in less fan and a small TV market.

None of this is about competitiveness.

That tv market was still infinately larger than the market TCU brought in, which was zero.

 

[Al_4_State]

If the Big 12 wanted Louisville, we'd have had them a year ago.

The short-sightedness and ridiculous demands for immediate action that generate out of realignment hysteria drive me nuts.

Why did the Big 12 lose teams before? Because we were underpaid and there was a major lack of unity among schools. Those problems have been rectified. The amount of schools in a conference is irrelevant as long as they are well compensated and in unison. The Big 12's pay day is on par with all other major leagues and well ahead of the ACC, even with their addition of Louisville. Louisville is not going to change FSU or Clemson's mind. If they want a football first league, Louisville doesn't add much to that. If they want more money, Louisville doesn't add anything to that. If FSU and Clemson want out of the ACC (and that's a total "if" in my mind) this doesn't prevent that. If the Big 10 offers other ACC schools, the addition of Louisville won't keep them there. This is all extremely obvious to me, but I worry that the clamor of idiots who can't see it will force a rash decision, a la Mizzou to the SEC.

 

[Clark]

Lets not be dumb here, this was a direct shot by the ACC at the Big 12.

The ACC isn't run by fools.

 

[ISUAgronomist]

"We have to have "x" games in Texas every year to pull in Texas recruits"

What are we selling the great Florida kids each year that we pull in...

 

[chuckd4735]

Losing Louisville is a big blow to the Big 12 IMO, I assume they were in any future expansion plans.

I highly doubt it. Louisville does not bring in good money. Its a small market (50th) and a small fanbase (73rd). If the Big 12 wants to get to 16 teams (which I doubt they really care about), I would think they would be looking at teams like Clemson, Virgina Tech, Miaimi (FL), Florida State, U Conn, and Notre Dame.

 

[CLONECONES]

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