There are 20M reasons not to add Louisville. ESPN and Fox won't pay the B12 at least $20M just to add Louisville or any other school not named FSU, Clemson and ND.
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There are 20M reasons not to add Louisville. ESPN and Fox won't pay the B12 at least $20M just to add Louisville or any other school not named FSU, Clemson and ND.
According to Twitter, Big 12 expansion committee will meet on Monday. Probably pretty much a sure thing...to not be meeting to at least talk about the happenings going on the country would be foolish.
The only way B12 expansion can be justified beyond 12 (with FSU and Clemson) to 16 (likely GT, Miami, Ville and Pitt/ND) is if two conference semi-final games make it worthwhile. Those two conference semi-final games would have to be worth, at a minimum, $40M each or $80M total.
Perhaps ideally the Big 12 stays at 10, along with the Big 10 staying at 12 and the SEC at 14. In reality, the SEC and Big 10 are moving towards 16, and the Big 12 will need to as well.
1.) The Big 12 needs to move from the araciac view of TV as a contract and get onboard with cutting out the middle-man and viewing it as a tax. We need the population that comes with 16 (or 18 with the two conference semi-final games).
2.)In the likely play-off system, a conference of 12 teams is at a handicap if others are at 16.
Inviting UL may be needed to further open up the ACC. If not, then great.
Or ACC becomes first 16 team conference, but the football schools will not like it.
Precisely. If you want to match the aggressiveness of Delany, Slive and Scott (and I only want to out of survival) you absolutely have to add Louisville right now even if it means waiting at 11.
We have a bunch of "they don't add x to the pie cut x ways" parrots on this board. I guarantee you if Scott, Slive or Delany were running the Big 12 we'd be at 11 with Louisville right now. Not because Louisville is a must have, but because they make WVU more of a long term fit, are the #1 basketball $ program, are an above average overall athletic department and because adding them helps DESTABILIZE the ACC, repeat...it would help destabilize the ACC.
FSU is basically on the record that they weren't happy that Syracuse/Pitt were added geographically and football wise. They clearly want Louisville more than UConn. If the Big 12 adds Louisville who does the ACC replace Maryland with that isn't a football/geography drag for FSU? There's nobody. It's all about FSU, getting Louisville away from the ACC and into the Big 12 makes FSU jumping to the Big 12 more likely, WVU and Louisville are in the Big 12 while Maryland has also recently left, it'll be easy to get two more football leaning ACC schools like GT and Clemson.
Of course all of that also makes ND to the Big Ten more likely in the long run which is what Maryland is really all about. It's chess, not checkers. Delany wants to destroy the ACC without looking like he destroyed it, the same way he took just one team from the Big 12 and nearly sent it spiraling as well. He was ready for Texas to get the blame for ruining the Big 12 and now he's ready for the BIg 12 and SEC to look like the bad guy tearing apart the ACC when they make bigger moves than just Maryland.
Exactly. It is already far past what was ideal and is time to realize 16 is what we will need to remain strong.
Expand to 16, as far as I have seen these past couple years do it or get left behind. I like 10 or 12, but super conferences is where it looks to be heading. UL, GTech, Clemson, FSU, UNC, NCST or Duke. (Duke not likely.)
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247 sports oard jumping on the NC\VA to the big 10, NCST\VT to the SEC rumor train
247 sports oard jumping on the NC\VA to the big 10, NCST\VT to the SEC rumor train
Duke, Wake Forest, UConn, Boston College, UMass, Villanova, Syracuse, Temple. 8 somewhat regional good schools that seem to be basketball schools but still have or pushing for FBS football. They could stand on their own or add Big East hoops schools. I'd throw Cincy and Memphis in there but it doesn't seem the schools are on the same level academically. Almost everybody else including those two were recently Conference USA anyway.
Won't shake out exactly like that, but I'd say that's more likely than the ACC adding UConn, Cincy and Louisville and everything being nice and organized with just USF and Temple bumping back to CUSA where they basically just were.
If it shakes out like that, I'd expect 3-6 schools to immediately take a place next to Louisville knocking on our door.
FSU isn't happy with Syracuse and eventually UConn coming in while WVU was not even considered. They sure as H won't like VTech leaving.
If that happens, the Big 12 takes in a good coup of FSU, Clemson, Ga Tech, Duke, Pitt, and probably UL.
I still believe the Big 12 has a lot to sell those ACC schools in regards to staying together with equivalent $$
I can see this - the Big Ten wants to move south, started with Maryland, and will destroy the ACC by taking all the plum teams - Carolina, UVa, Georgia Tech, Duke, etc. They won't stop until they get to 20...
All aboard the superconference train!
Clemson
Duke
Florida State
Georgia Tech
Louisville
Miami
Notre Dame
Pittsburgh
Eight options there for six picks. If Notre Dame is not interested, drop Miami and take the other six. If ND is in, drop Miami and Duke from the list.
Will be interesting to see if the Pac-12 moves as well. What are their options?
Boise State
BYU
Nevada
What else could they possibly do if they wanted 16? Colorado State? UNLV? San Diego State?
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Perhaps, but at that point saying the Big 10 is moving south would be like saying West Virginia joined the Missouri Valley Intercollegiate Athletic Association. Nevertheless, your general concept stands. Certain powers realize expansion and cable networks are means to removing the middlemen that are the NCAA and ESPN.
I would have liked the Big 12 presidents to have Bob put a standing offer to the 10 most tenured members of the ACC to form an ACC division of the "Big 12" last summer.
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