***OFFICIAL BIG 12 EXPANSION THREAD 2.0***

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I'd like to see the Big 12 expand to 14. 12 is stupid since the big 12 will have to expand eventually.

I hope they take:

Florida St (florida recruiting and money)
Ga Tech (Atlanta TV)
Louisville (good programs and some TV)
BYU (Salt Lake City)

I doubt the Big 12 thinks of taking BYU so I guess Pittsburgh would be good (WVU rival plus Pennsylvania TV)
 
I'd like to see the Big 12 expand to 14. 12 is stupid since the big 12 will have to expand eventually.

I hope they take:

Florida St (florida recruiting and money)
Ga Tech (Atlanta TV)
Louisville (good programs and some TV)
BYU (Salt Lake City)

I doubt the Big 12 thinks of taking BYU so I guess Pittsburgh would be good (WVU rival plus Pennsylvania TV)

No BYU. They subtract more than they add.
 
Once we have 4 16-team conferences, how long before they decide to have their own post-season basketball tournament and cut the NCAA out of the tv money?
 
Once we have 4 16-team conferences, how long before they decide to have their own post-season basketball tournament and cut the NCAA out of the tv money?

Wouldnt surprise me if it happened someday, though unless it invited the smaller schools it would be a huge risk.
 
I really think the super conferences are unstable and you'll eventually see some contraction. What happens if the Big12 goes to 16 then decides to split? What do you think our chances are of being in the conference after that? Just saying....get to 12...and sit. You get divisions again which collectively improves the records in the conference...(see SEC vs Big12 right now)...you get the championship game and all is well. Then watch the other conferences fall apart.

Long term I believe that is what will happen. When you have 16...all you really have is two 8 team conferences that occasionally play some of these other teams.
 
So I was just reading the thread about Pinkel possibly retiring tomorrow and got to thinking. So far the Mizzou to SEC move has not gone well. IF they expressed interest in returning to the Big12, do you think the Big12 says yes?

Personally, I think they are a good fit and was sad to see them go. I would be for it. They're kind of like that friend that everybody has that is a total A-hole. Sure he's an A-hole...but he's YOUR a-hole.
 
I really think the super conferences are unstable and you'll eventually see some contraction. What happens if the Big12 goes to 16 then decides to split? What do you think our chances are of being in the conference after that? Just saying....get to 12...and sit. You get divisions again which collectively improves the records in the conference...(see SEC vs Big12 right now)...you get the championship game and all is well. Then watch the other conferences fall apart.

Long term I believe that is what will happen. When you have 16...all you really have is two 8 team conferences that occasionally play some of these other teams.
What happens if the Big 12 stays at 12 and then decides to split because they are the smallest, weakest conference? Or realize their mistake in not expanding, but now it is too late to pick up quality programs? Sitting at 12 is as liable to be unstable as 16. Four more programs gives you more weight in the playoffs, more population do generate revenue from your own network, more critical mass.
 
So I was just reading the thread about Pinkel possibly retiring tomorrow and got to thinking. So far the Mizzou to SEC move has not gone well. IF they expressed interest in returning to the Big12, do you think the Big12 says yes?

Personally, I think they are a good fit and was sad to see them go. I would be for it. They're kind of like that friend that everybody has that is a total A-hole. Sure he's an A-hole...but he's YOUR a-hole.


Just like in real life, I'm not interested in your A-hole.
 
If they would sign something with fatal penalties if they slut around again, then yes, I'd take them back. Maybe we could trade wvu to the sec for them. I like wvu better, and they are the better brand but there is a gaping hole in our conference and a close road game that need repaired.
 
12 is a stable conference. Shown by history. 16 has failed the only time (that I know of) that it was tried.

Because the WAC, a conference that consisted mostly of small schools and/or large schools in small population areas and/or large city schools that nobody in that city cares about, which had a footprint that covered at least half, if not 2/3s, of this nation and therefore travel was expensive, and was practically nonexistent on TV and therefore had practically no TV revenue, is a valid explanation of why 4 16-team conferences consisting of large schools that lots of people care about (whether small or large, whether private colleges, state universities or city schools), much smaller geographic footprints, (none of these conferences will be larger than 1/3 of the nation, considering the vast majority of the schools making up these conferences are either east of the Mississippi River (which is about 1/3 of the way across the nation from the Atlantic Ocean, not halfway), and SIGNIFICANT TV presence and resulting revenue.

In other words, if you're using the WAC as your basis as to why superconferences won't work (which is the general argument that everyone claiming "instability" uses), you need to find a more valid and relevant argument, because every reason why the WAC fail doesn't hold water in the superconferences that seem to be forming now.

And by the way, if 12 is so stable, why did the Big 12 almost go into nonexistence the last couple of years? Or why is the ACC about to be picked apart now? 12 is no more or less stable than 10, 14, or 16. TV money is what makes a conference stable.
 
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12 is a stable conference. Shown by history. 16 has failed the only time (that I know of) that it was tried.

It failed because small teams cannot generate money, and the 16 team conference did nothing but increase costs for them. On the contrary, with larger programs there is evidence that the money will be better for everyone than with 10-12.
 
Living in the past is a sure way to destabilize the conference. Past history did not have multiple conferences with their own cable networks and a NCAA FBS football play-off.
I'm not disputing the fact that the NCAA football landscape is continually evolving. I'm just saying that there is no guarantee that the 16 team conferences will succeed. And the only time it was tried it failed for the same reasons that will exist in today's world. They could work...and probably will. But I wouldn't be an early adopter. Pac12 tried and they got stuck with Colorado ;)
 
What happens if the Big 12 stays at 12 and then decides to split because they are the smallest, weakest conference? Or realize their mistake in not expanding, but now it is too late to pick up quality programs? Sitting at 12 is as liable to be unstable as 16. Four more programs gives you more weight in the playoffs, more population do generate revenue from your own network, more critical mass.
That would be great IF we had our own network, don't ser it coming soon.
 
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