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***OFFICIAL BIG 12 EXPANSION THREAD 2.0***

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ACC signed grant of rights, this thing may be in a holding pattern even with the Maryland legal case unresolved.
ACC media-rights deal to lock in schools OK'd by presidents - ESPN

Maybe time to look at winners and losers of the Big Ten and SEC cash grab known as realignment.

Losers:
1a. UConn, elite hoops program and improving football program with little history, busted back down to effectively the old CUSA although this time no Louisville in CUSA.
1b. Cincy, same as UConn.
3. USF back in an old CUSA style conference, like it probably should be, but still a demotion.
4. Idaho, on the doorstep of losing FBS football status playing Sun Belt football only
5. New Mexico State, downgraded to geographic outlier of Sun Belt.
6. BYU, still in a risky independent strategy while neighboring teams join Pac 12 and MWC resolidifies as a good conference again.
7. MVC and A10 losing some quality hoops to new BIg East hoops

Winners:
1. Rutgers - crumbling Big East to Big Ten
2. Utah - MWC to Pac 12
3. A&M - it's already working out for them, let's not deny
4. TCU - MWC to Big 12
5. Louisville - crumbling Big East to ACC
6. Syrucause - Big East to ACC but they caused some of the bad big east situation themselves
6b. Pitt - Big East to ACC but they caused some of the bad big east situation themselves
7. WVU - geographic outlier but avoided UConn/Cincy/USF's position
8. Marland - ACC was a good fit but B1G is B1G
9. Missouri - it'll work eventually
10. Fresno St, Nevada, SJ State, Utah State, Hawaii bumping up from WAC to MWC
11. Butler, Xavier, Creighton joining Catholic 7

Wait and see:
1. Entire Big 12 and ACC, if they're really stable these are still very good conferences in the major two sports with no drastic shift, GOR might be an illusion
2. Colorado - hard to look at their football program and call them a winner right now, but doubt it's a flop for them
3. Nebraska - they might end up a loser since the Big Ten didn't go south and they're so football Nat Champs crazy, fine $ wise
4. Entire Sun Belt, CUSA, new American Athletic Conference...they promoted so many FCS schools and bumped around so many members it's impossible to tell how any of these conferences really look. CUSA is the old Sun Belt effectively.
5. Notre Dame - as always
 
HFCS said:
ACC signed grant of rights, this thing may be in a holding pattern even with the Maryland legal case unresolved.
ACC media-rights deal to lock in schools OK'd by presidents - ESPN

Maybe time to look at winners and losers of the Big Ten and SEC cash grab known as realignment.

Losers:
1a. UConn, elite hoops program and improving football program with little history, busted back down to effectively the old CUSA although this time no Louisville in CUSA.
1b. Cincy, same as UConn.
3. USF back in an old CUSA style conference, like it probably should be, but still a demotion.
4. Idaho, on the doorstep of losing FBS football status playing Sun Belt football only
5. New Mexico State, downgraded to geographic outlier of Sun Belt.
6. BYU, still in a risky independent strategy while neighboring teams join Pac 12 and MWC resolidifies as a good conference again.
7. MVC and A10 losing some quality hoops to new BIg East hoops

Winners:
1. Rutgers - crumbling Big East to Big Ten
2. Utah - MWC to Pac 12
3. A&M - it's already working out for them, let's not deny
4. TCU - MWC to Big 12
5. Louisville - crumbling Big East to ACC
6. Syrucause - Big East to ACC but they caused some of the bad big east situation themselves
6b. Pitt - Big East to ACC but they caused some of the bad big east situation themselves
7. WVU - geographic outlier but avoided UConn/Cincy/USF's position
8. Marland - ACC was a good fit but B1G is B1G
9. Missouri - it'll work eventually
10. Fresno St, Nevada, SJ State, Utah State, Hawaii bumping up from WAC to MWC
11. Butler, Xavier, Creighton joining Catholic 7

Wait and see:
1. Entire Big 12 and ACC, if they're really stable these are still very good conferences in the major two sports with no drastic shift, GOR might be an illusion
2. Colorado - hard to look at their football program and call them a winner right now, but doubt it's a flop for them
3. Nebraska - they might end up a loser since the Big Ten didn't go south and they're so football Nat Champs crazy, fine $ wise
4. Entire Sun Belt, CUSA, new American Athletic Conference...they promoted so many FCS schools and bumped around so many members it's impossible to tell how any of these conferences really look. CUSA is the old Sun Belt effectively.
5. Notre Dame - as always
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Agree with most everything except Mizzou. A&M works great because they will sign TX kids and tell them they get to stay at home and play in the SEC. A&M will become a monster. Mizzou on the other hand is in big trouble. Their TX pipeline has dried up overnight and they are struggling to open anything in SEC territory. Mizzou was a great fit for the Big 12, this will be a decision Missouri will regret.
 
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I love how some are calling WV a loser. They have went from 3 million per year to 28 million, are getting even more than if they were in the ACC (20 million), and supposedly the ACC has said no to them in the past due to academics. So they would be sitting at 1-2 million per year under the new BE.
 
trajanJ said:
Agree with most everything except Mizzou. A&M works great because they will sign TX kids and tell them they get to stay at home and play in the SEC. A&M will become a monster. Mizzou on the other hand is in big trouble. Their TX pipeline has dried up overnight and they are struggling to open anything in SEC territory. Mizzou was a great fit for the Big 12, this will be a decision Missouri will regret.
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Yeah, Mizzou really hurt themselves. I understand them wanting in the B1G, be honest, despite lackluster football recently, it's a cash cow that's only getting fatter. The SEC though? They made themselves into Iowa State over night. The Big 12 or Big 10 were their only real viable options, imo.

Agree that A&M is in a good spot. I wish they weren't, but it's obvious that so far things are working out for them. I know Texas is Big Dog in the state, but a couple of more seasons like we had last year and A&M will gain some serious ground on them.
 
UNIGuy4Cy said:
I love how some are calling WV a loser. They have went from 3 million per year to 28 million, are getting even more than if they were in the ACC (20 million), and supposedly the ACC has said no to them in the past due to academics. So they would be sitting at 1-2 million per year under the new BE.
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Is WVU a loser in conference shuffling?  - WVU - The Charleston Gazette - West Virginia News and Sports -

While the dust settles, WVU is being called the Biggest Loser, especially in regard to geography. Fine columnist Berry Tramel of The Oklahoman newspaper was one to place the label and said "the Mountaineers appear stuck on an island" and that "10 years of being 878 miles from your nearest conference member will get old."
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trajanJ said:
Agree with most everything except Mizzou. A&M works great because they will sign TX kids and tell them they get to stay at home and play in the SEC. A&M will become a monster. Mizzou on the other hand is in big trouble. Their TX pipeline has dried up overnight and they are struggling to open anything in SEC territory. Mizzou was a great fit for the Big 12, this will be a decision Missouri will regret.
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My thoughts exactly mizzou is a loser.
 
HFCS said:
Wait and see:
2. Colorado - hard to look at their football program and call them a winner right now, but doubt it's a flop for them
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This was probably was one of the only moves in all of the realignment saga that made sense in terms of geography, and realistically I think that would make them a winner in it even though it is not showing up on the football field.
 
jbhtexas said:
It may take 10 years or more, but IMO some sanity will eventually return to college athletics. Unfortunately, there will probably be more carnage along the way.
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Amen to this. I think eventually the 13, 14, 15 team conferences will have issues, as will the ones with too big a footprint. Paradoxically they could cure this by EXPANDING to 16. But you would really be in an 8 team league that is geographically tighter, and a couple semi-in-conference games against the other half. And then you would very rarely have a rematch conf champ game. To me this is more efficient and logical, so maybe this is the eventual state when sanity returns.
 
Let's Go State said:
I think the BIg and SEC are going to be watered down, and are already feeling that way.
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They don't care, hell, it's better to have some stiffs at the bottom of the league! Then you can talk about playing all these "super-tough" ESS-EEE-CEE conference games against powerhouses like Ole Miss, Tennesee, Kentucky. Big10 has same with Purdue, Illinois, Indiana.

Adding Maryland and Rutgers in Football?? No one is happier than Ohio St and Michigan!

Honestly, I wish the bottom of the Big12 had more stiffs (thanks KU!). I just hope it's Baylor, TCU, and KSt and not us...
 
Big 12 still has options, if a conference championship game is deemed needed, then adding BYU and either an upgraded CSU or Louisville/UCONN gets it back to 12 and if potentially no loss in per-school revenue if the championship game revenue is solid.

The other aspect could also be that with people "unplugging" the cable box that ESPN revenues and Fox revenues are going to drop and in 10 years the monster contracts are going to start to go backwards. Big 12 having their own 3rd tier rights is huge, and just 10 schools there will less of a negative impact than schools with 14 schools trying to keep revenues the same. Big picture all is not bad for the lack of expansion. Seems narrow-minded right now, but in 5-8 years the landscape is going to be a lot different.
 
I'd love to see the Big 12 and the SEC merge to form a 24-team conference with four 6-team divisions. It brings back the traditional conferences in the form of divisions, but allows the conference as a whole to negotiate some incredible TV contracts. You can't tell me this conference wouldn't have the highest payout of any conference in the land.

Big 6: ISU, KU, KSU, OU, OSU, Missouri,
Southwestern 6: Arkansas, Texas, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Texas A&M
SEC West: LSU, Ole Miss, Miss. St., Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee
SEC East: Georgia, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Florida, WVU, USC

Play the other five teams in your division. Use tie-breakers and slot each team 1-6 in each division to figure out the final three games:

Take the top two teams in each division and throw them into an eight-team bracket to decide the conference champion. Have consolation games for the losers so they all get eight conference games.

The leftover teams play three cross-division games against the team in each of those divisions that finished in the same place in their divisions as you finished in yours.

Boom! Crazy TV contract pays out crazy money to all the schools, and you have your geographic rivalries again.
 
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CascadeClone said:
They don't care, hell, it's better to have some stiffs at the bottom of the league! Then you can talk about playing all these "super-tough" ESS-EEE-CEE conference games against powerhouses like Ole Miss, Tennesee, Kentucky. Big10 has same with Purdue, Illinois, Indiana.

Adding Maryland and Rutgers in Football?? No one is happier than Ohio St and Michigan!

Honestly, I wish the bottom of the Big12 had more stiffs (thanks KU!). I just hope it's Baylor, TCU, and KSt and not us...
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I think it is funny that out in San Fran the BIG Network is available through ATT UVerse. They must offer it nationwide to cable companies.
 
I'm only concerned about the total conference revenue as it applies to ISU. A Mega 24 team SEC-Big12 conference would need TV contracts of $720,000,000 a year to get ISU $30 million of the pie. It could be a challenge getting TV partners to buy in to that investment or have enough windows to show all of the product if say ESPN was cutting the checks

Stay at the current 10 and the total $$ for a network to buy Big 12 rights is much lower for ISU to hit $30 million

Lower total cost could bring in bidders like NBC Sports Network, CBS, TBS, etc. on top of Fox and ESPN. Mo bidders, Mo better.
 
So where are we at now as the dust settles?

SEC - 14
Big Ten - 14
ACC - 14
Pac-12 - 12
Big 12 - 10
American Athletic Conference AKA old Big East - 10

Is that all right?
 
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