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***Official Big 12 Expansion Thread '16***

cyclones500 said:
Here’s an SBNation article based on a couple of recent reports that I hadn’t seen (SIAP).

UConn’s Plan B if left out of Big 12 expansion: Rejoin Big East in all sports except football. Jettison AAC, pursue football-only in MAC, MWC, C-USA or Sun Belt (!).

Report indicates mutual interest between UConn, Big East

It seems like a desperation Plan B, but I could think of a few reasons they’d consider it (appeal of rejoining Big East in basketball is an obvious upside).
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Fox pays the Big East about $42 million a year for the rights to its basketball programming, or $4.2 mil per school. You would think that number could only increase by adding UConn basketball.

The American's deal with ESPN for both football and basketball pays $1.5 million per school. Someone might read this and think "They also have a deal with CBS", but the games on CBSSN are licensed to CBS by ESPN. The AAC's deal with ESPN is much worse than the schools expected, I think.

So UConn dumping the AAC to get in the Big East and then finding a convenient home for football would both (1) raise its basketball profile and (2) make it a good deal more money from media rights.
 
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MeanDean said:
UNC-Charlotte. Welcome to the Big XII!!!
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I for one welcome our new Niner overlords.

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Just figured out a 14 team East-West configuration that would be a nightmare for Iowa State:

CINCINNATI
HOUSTON
IOWA STATE
OKLAHOMA
OKLAHOMA STATE
TEXAS
WEST VIRGINIA

BRIGHAM YOUNG
BAYLOR
COLORADO STATE
KANSAS
KANSAS STATE
TEXAS CHRISTIAN
TEXAS TECH

The biggest problems here being the splits between Texas & Tech, as well as Iowa State from the Kansas schools. Based on current program strength however, these seem to be pretty fair divisions.
 
CYCLNST8 said:
Just figured out a 14 team East-West configuration that would be a nightmare for Iowa State:

CINCINNATI
HOUSTON
IOWA STATE
OKLAHOMA
OKLAHOMA STATE
TEXAS
WEST VIRGINIA

BRIGHAM YOUNG
BAYLOR
COLORADO STATE
KANSAS
KANSAS STATE
TEXAS CHRISTIAN
TEXAS TECH

The biggest problems here being the splits between Texas & Tech, as well as Iowa State from the Kansas schools. Based on current program strength however, these seem to be pretty fair divisions.
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West Division pretty weak. Baylor after Briles is not going to be what they were. Only team of real consequence will be TCU.

And Colorado State won't get in.
 
boone7247 said:
Can you imagine that that is what happens. the B12 blows up and ISU is in the ACC. Not happening for several years, but still crazy.
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I wouldn't complain that's for sure. As a matter of fact, I would probably plan more conference road trips. You can only go to Texas and Kansas so many times before you get tired of it.
 
Wow Driving distances from Ames would be hellatious in the ACC. Average drive is 1000 miles. Shortest drive is South Bend Not a full member, next is Louisville at just over 600 miles. The next is Pittsburgh at 794 miles. With 10 possible trips over 1000 miles.

To contrast, avg drive to a B12 foe is now appox 680 miles. With 5 trips shorter than Pittsburgh. No trips currently over 1000 miles although you get close going to Austin and Lubbock. If you add Cincinnati and Memphis that helps reduce that 680 mile trip a little bit not much. Swap one of those out for Houston and obviously it gets longer. BYU would be the first trip over 1000 miles.
 
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Obviously the B1G is best from a cultural and geographic standpoint for ISU, but if it comes down to other options, give me ACC over all others. It's more of a basketball centric conference to begin with, and I would absolutely love to see ISU playing at Cameron Indoor and the Dean Dome (and Duke and UNC at Hilton).
 
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boone7247 said:
Wow Driving distances from Ames would be hellatious in the ACC. Average drive is 1000 miles. Shortest drive is South Bend Not a full member, next is Louisville at just over 600 miles. The next is Pittsburgh at 794 miles. With 10 possible trips over 1000 miles.

To contrast, avg drive to a B12 foe is now appox 680 miles. With 5 trips shorter than Pittsburgh. No trips currently over 1000 miles although you get close going to Austin and Lubbock. If you add Cincinnati and Memphis that helps reduce that 680 mile trip a little bit not much. Swap one of those out for Houston and obviously it gets longer. BYU would be the first trip over 1000 miles.
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Nebby road trips are now much worse in BIG than B12.
 
isucy86 said:
Barry Tramel with the Oklahoman seems pretty interested in Big 12 expansion. Thought this was good information on athletic department budgets among possible expansion schools. The interesting figure is how much states are subsidizing these athletic departments to keep them competitive.

http://newsok.com/article/5514851

As a private school, BYU's information isn't published (reportedly $57M)- but here are amounts for other schools most often mentioned:

UConn : $72M Budget with $28M subsidy (39%)
Cincy: $52M Budget with $23M subsidy (44%)
CFU: $51M Budget with $24M subsidy (47%)
Houston: $44M Budget with $25M subsidy (57%)
Memphis: $43M Budget with $18M subsidy (42%)
CSU: $38M Budget with $20M subsidy (53%)

For comparison
WVU: $91M Budget with $4M subsidy (5%)
T Tech: $80M Budget with $4M subsidy (5%)
K-State: $75M Budget with $.9M subsidy (1%)
Iowa State: $75M Budget with $2M subsidy (2%)

So pretty obvious why it is critical for universities to get into a P5 conference. Also clear why politicians have a dog in the fight. The subsidy figure does include student fees.

FYI - here is the entire list
http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/
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Nice post, And hey, money talks. Tramel has covered the Big 8/Big 12 for many years, and I respect his insight. UConn is fairly close to WVU, too, and could be a great addition to the league.
 
psychlone99 said:
With all this lawsuit talk, somebody help me understand what the networks' ground for a lawsuit would be if the conference legitimately added a couple of teams?

Pro rata clause aside, expansion is function of the conference governing body and that body alone. The networks signed the deal, so unless Bowlsby and company were stupid enough to create a paper trail indicating that this was nothing more than a money grab, I'm not sure I understand the lawsuit talk.
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I'd still like someone with some legal background/knowledge to answer this question for me. What am I missing?
 
cycophagus said:
Nice post, And hey, money talks. Tramel has covered the Big 8/Big 12 for many years, and I respect his insight. UConn is fairly close to WVU, too, and could be a great addition to the league.
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UConn isn't close to ANYTHING ELSE in the Big 12, and basketball has absolutely nothing to do with realignment. That's why they're still on the outside looking in; which is exactly where we'll be if our conference fails. Hope to see UConn back in the Big East where they belong soon.
 
cycophagus said:
Nice post, And hey, money talks. Tramel has covered the Big 8/Big 12 for many years, and I respect his insight. UConn is fairly close to WVU, too, and could be a great addition to the league.
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UConn is 500 miles away from WVU, and in the wrong direction from the rest of the conference. They are about as far away from Morgantown as we are from Norman.
 
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