***Official Big 12 Expansion Thread '16***

Before we get to the football discussion, let's begin things with a little conversation about conference realignment. In talking with sources this week, it might be time to get your popcorn ready, but perhaps not for the reasons everyone might have anticipated coming out of Big 12 Media Days when expansion talk was white hot.

1. Don't be shocked if Big 12 commish Bob Bowlsby finds himself on the hot seat in the coming months because the entire thing has turned into a huge mess when you consider the television networks are threatening litigation, the schools inside the conference all have their own agendas/favorites and the politics surrounding all of it has created a tricky terrain full of landmines.

2. One of the landmines is definitely the relationships between TV partners and I was told this week that ESPN is as far away from being a willing partner to the attempted money grab as it can be. In no uncertain terms, I've been told that not only has ESPN notified the conference that there are zero combination of additions that are attractive from the perspective of the network, but it is willing to take this to court if that is what is needed.

3. There is absolutely no consensus when it comes to potential new schools and multiple sources mentioned this week that there's not a school that's being considered that has the eight votes needed. For instance, for all of the discussion about adding Houston, I'm told there is a block of non-Texas Big 12 members that view the addition of the Cougars as an absolute non-starter. "It ain't happening," one Big 12 source said on Wednesday.

4. One high-level Texas source told me on Thursday that he doesn't believe there will be any expansion at all when the dust clears.

5. Out of curiosity, I asked the same source which conference the Longhorns would end up in if the Big 12 dies at the end of the current Grant of Rights agreement and the source said the Big 10 because of the academic profiles that many of the schools bring to the table, although the source also mentioned that Texas would likely have a chance to join in of the other four power conferences if it wanted to.

5. I mentioned my own personal Pac-12 preference and was told that it is a league that has some internal conflict at the moment, as the Pac-12 Network hasn't been a roaring success and schools like Arizona and Colorado are being described as unhappy with the current state of things.

6. Finally, if the Big 12 does collapse in the coming years, I was told we'll likely know about it before the current GOR expires. "I don't think it will take that long," one high-level source told me.

Unfortunately none of this is surprising, and it all makes a lot of sense. The most likely outcome IMO is still that the Big 12 does not expand and then Texas and Oklahoma begin to openly court other conferences.

If memory serves, 8 conference members can blow up the GOR by leaving together so I could see them working out some sort of package to make that happen - for example, Texas and Kansas going to the B1G, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State to the SEC, West Virginia to the ACC (along with UConn) and then Iowa State, Kansas State, Texas Tech, and TCU to the new Pac-16. In the world's most appropriate finish to this story, Baylor is the one school left holding the bag and ends up taking UConn's spot in the American.
 
That Orangebloods report doesn't jive with anything other individuals with 'sources' are saying. Also, doesn't jive with what President Leath seemed to be implying in his interview.
 
That Orangebloods report doesn't jive with anything other individuals with 'sources' are saying. Also, doesn't jive with what President Leath seemed to be implying in his interview.

So is what President Leath said jive with those with sources and Orangebloods is coming out of left field?
 
That Orangebloods report doesn't jive with anything other individuals with 'sources' are saying. Also, doesn't jive with what President Leath seemed to be implying in his interview.

This may be an instance of the Texas AD / president having heard the exact same message but getting a different outcome due to their point of view. I'm sure there are many in that room that only hear what they want to, Leather included.

But the idea that Texas could pick any conference seems a little too far. I don't think it's a slight dunk that they get invited to the Big10. With the location, history, and bad blood with Nebraska I don't know that they'd be welcomed with open arms as they suggest.
 
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This may be an instance of the Texas AD / president having heard the exact same message but getting a different outcome due to their point of view. I'm sure there are many in that room that only hear what they want to, Leather included.

But the idea that Texas could pick any conference seems a little too far. I don't think it's a slight dunk that they get invited to the Big10. With the location, history, and bad blood with Nebraska I don't know that they'd be welcomed with open arms as they suggest.

Same with SEC. A&M also ran to get away from them.
 
If Orangebloods is reporting, then the President and AD of Texas have a reason they want that story out. There was a report last week (I think?) that it was Texas vs. OU vs. Everyone Else and OU was starting to side with Everyone Else, so Texas vs. Everyone Else.

Having said all that, I would have no problem if Bowlsby is canned. While the guy is up against some of the worst politics out there, I honestly cannot tell you what he should be able to hang his hat on the last 5 years.
 
I find this fascinating. What if ESPN is threatening to sue Texas over the LHN instead of the Big 12? Did Bowlsby and Boren try to get Fox to commit to some PAC 12 teams and put the LHN and ESPN in play? Too bad we can never know the juicy details. Texas sure is hot about this. Would explain the animosity toward Bob B and the rest of the Big 12 schools.
 
If UT would just play ball, the Big 12 could be in a great position. Rebrand the LHN as a Big 12 Network and continue to increase its distribution. In the meantime, court Colorado, Arizona, and Arizona State with the promise of increased payouts over the Pac-12 and its failing network.

This literally would only require Texas to start caring about the conference's long-term success over its own ego.
 
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Why canot the SEC work with Bama and LSU being the big dogs. Why can can B1G work with OSU and MI being the big dogs. Why the hell can't the Big 12 just work together for once? I know people say money is an issue but is the rest of the product so bad Texas and OU want to leave? What makes Vandy, Rutgers, Purdue, and other bottom feeders work but we can't make it work?
 
If UT would just play ball, the Big 12 could be in a great position. Rebrand the LHN as a Big 12 Network and continue to increase its distribution. In the meantime, court Colorado, Arizona, and Arizona State with the promise of increased payouts over the Pac-12 and its failing network.

This literally would only require Texas to start caring about the conference's long-term success over its own ego.

You've obviously never spent much time around Texans if you think UT would view things that way.
 
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I was at a work function last night. Happened to be someone in the know from Baylor there. He felt Houston and BYU are in, and then it is a question of if the B12 wants to go to 14 or not. Did leave me with the caveat that expansion is not guaranteed.

He also said it has been a horrible summer for BU. Was just generally sick about the whole situation.
 
If UT would just play ball, the Big 12 could be in a great position. Rebrand the LHN as a Big 12 Network and continue to increase its distribution. In the meantime, court Colorado, Arizona, and Arizona State with the promise of increased payouts over the Pac-12 and its failing network.

This literally would only require Texas to start caring about the conference's long-term success over its own ego.

Texas would be idiots if they give up the LHN. ESPN owes them around $225M between now and 2031. I am sure if the BIG12 wants the LHN for the new BIG12 Network, then Texas will want serious cash.
 
If memory serves, 8 conference members can blow up the GOR by leaving together so I could see them working out some sort of package to make that happen - for example, Texas and Kansas going to the B1G, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State to the SEC, West Virginia to the ACC (along with UConn) and then Iowa State, Kansas State, Texas Tech, and TCU to the new Pac-16. In the world's most appropriate finish to this story, Baylor is the one school left holding the bag and ends up taking UConn's spot in the American.

I think the Pac12 would take Texas, Oklahoma and TCU on their own. However, I don't see ISU, TT, KSU or any other Big12 team getting into the Pac12 without UT or OU joining. The Pac12 would probably add SDSU and UNLV before ISU, TT, KSU, etc.

The best realignment scenario for ISU is for UT and OU to join the Pac12- at that point ISU could have options between Big10, SEC and PAC12.
 
I still can't see Texas getting into the Big Ten. Admittedly, I'm no expert about this.

Texas has great academics, brings the TV sets in a huge state and is in a recruiting hotbed. They are probably the single most attractive team in America. They can get in anywhere if it's what the want.

I can't see them playing all their road games in the upper Midwest or Northeast so I personally think they would end up in the P12 or ACC over the B1G.
 
Before we get to the football discussion, let's begin things with a little conversation about conference realignment. In talking with sources this week, it might be time to get your popcorn ready, but perhaps not for the reasons everyone might have anticipated coming out of Big 12 Media Days when expansion talk was white hot.

That's nice information. Problem is there is a lot of false information out there. Sources inside Texas lead the charge last time and were proven wrong. There are a lot of people inside athletic depts. that think they know what is going and on that really don't.
 
Texas has great academics, brings the TV sets in a huge state and is in a recruiting hotbed. They are probably the single most attractive team in America. They can get in anywhere if it's what the want.

I can't see them playing all their road games in the upper Midwest or Northeast so I personally think they would end up in the P12 or ACC over the B1G.

Texas needs to be smart and look around before they go anywhere. They are the big dog now, going to any other conference changes that. When you have not been the proven center piece of a given conference for years and years it take a long time to get to the top. You also lose part of your identity when you change conferences. Texas is a big brand in the state of Texas but outside of the state there are a lot of schools that are a bigger brand.
 
I think the Pac12 would take Texas, Oklahoma and TCU on their own. However, I don't see ISU, TT, KSU or any other Big12 team getting into the Pac12 without UT or OU joining. The Pac12 would probably add SDSU and UNLV before ISU, TT, KSU, etc.

The best realignment scenario for ISU is for UT and OU to join the Pac12- at that point ISU could have options between Big10, SEC and PAC12.

TCU, UNLV or SDSU in the Pac 12. Now that is freaking hilarious.
 
TCU, UNLV or SDSU in the Pac 12. Now that is freaking hilarious.

I think the Pac12 would take Texas, Oklahoma and TCU on their own. However, I don't see ISU, TT, KSU or any other Big12 team getting into the Pac12 without UT or OU joining. The Pac12 would probably add SDSU and UNLV before ISU, TT, KSU, etc.

The best realignment scenario for ISU is for UT and OU to join the Pac12- at that point ISU could have options between Big10, SEC and PAC12.

If the PAC 10 wanted UNLV, SDSU, Boisie St or TCU, they would have been added when Texas balked at giving up the LHN during the first go around. They are holding out for OU and/or Texas. If the conference does dissolve I'd expect OU to join the SEC and Texas to go to the ACC or Big 10.
Texas wants an easy route to the playoffs and to protect the recruiting boarders that, is why they want the B12 to survive. (That and having the conference power and LHN)
 
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