***Official Big 12 Expansion Thread '16***

Mizzou's entire campus is a mess, if they were to get booted from the SEC (I don't think they will but if..) I don't see how any p5 league would touch them. I mean their AD left for Baylor a month ago, that speaks volumes about just how big a cluster Mizzou has become.
 
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SolarGarlic - As a fan I can post and see what others think - your attempts at social bullying me will not work. Why not post something intelligent of your own rather than attacking someone who actually has an idea. You probably cannot understand sarcasm so see the capitalized statement OZ - that must have gotten by you?

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Jesus. Leath couldn't have sounded more passive. Wasn't there an agreement between these guys to keep their mouths shut?

If that's how the Big 12 is approaching everything, we're toast as a conference.
 
Jesus. Leath couldn't have sounded more passive. Wasn't there an agreement between these guys to keep their mouths shut?

If that's how the Big 12 is approaching everything, we're toast as a conference.

I don't take it like that at all. When you get to what the core of what he says, it's actually nothing different than what anyone has said. I'm sure all Presidents have been instructed to continue with the "we're still in consideration" company line.
 
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If we were to add some power five type teams I could see waiting for a Christmas announcement. That would be like getting a Christmas present. However if it's Cincy & UH, just get it over with.
 
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Politics might have influenced, but Rice has never really had great fan support for FB. Hard to add Rice to the new Big12 when they drew 20k fans. That was a big reason UT & AM were looking to leave SWC.

The whole reason why Baylor got in was due to Texas Lt Gov Bob Bullock and Texas Gov Ann Richards, both Baylor grads. The rumors at that time was that BYU was going to be the 12th member.
 
Jesus. Leath couldn't have sounded more passive. Wasn't there an agreement between these guys to keep their mouths shut?

If that's how the Big 12 is approaching everything, we're toast as a conference.

What's the big deal about it? He basically said what everybody has been saying for awhile now. What did he say that was new, or damaging?
 
So does the comment about past playing by the rules mean SMU is off the table? Not that I think they were in the top 6 to begin with. But that criterion seems to be a big fat "NO THANKS, SMU!" and your death penalty history.
 
I didn't like this quote: “The sentiment of the [presidents] was, let’s take a serious look and see who’s out there, who wants to join,” he said. “We’re spending a lot of time and money to that end, so I suspect that’s where we’re going to end up.”

That just sounds like someone that is hoping for the best, not someone that has a real plan. And "gee, we've spent a bunch of money, we gotta add someone now."

Just sounds really weak. I could be overstating things, but I found his quotes discouraging.
 
Jesus. Leath couldn't have sounded more passive. Wasn't there an agreement between these guys to keep their mouths shut?

If that's how the Big 12 is approaching everything, we're toast as a conference.
I think some people think that no matter what anyone says, it can be interpreted as "we're toast as a conference" instead of not overreacting to an interview.
 
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What's the big deal about it? He basically said what everybody has been saying for awhile now. What did he say that was new, or damaging?


I had no problem with Leath Sadi but at the end of the day there are no good options remaining besides other P5 teams (doubtful) and BYU. The rest are just more welfare teams like ISU, Tech, Baylor, etc that are just riding the coat tails of Texas and OU.

Unfortunately there are no great long term options whether we expand or otherwise.
 
It just seems like the longer this goes on the more outrageous the rumors get. Who knows what's really going on behind closed doors but I'm sure there a lot of politics we won't know about until well after the fact.
It seems as if there are too many choices to get a majority vote. Thus the longer this is going to take. This longer than expected timeline is just the way it is when politics and Lawyers get intermingled, amongst other things.
 
I didn't like this quote: “The sentiment of the [presidents] was, let’s take a serious look and see who’s out there, who wants to join,” he said. “We’re spending a lot of time and money to that end, so I suspect that’s where we’re going to end up.”

That just sounds like someone that is hoping for the best, not someone that has a real plan. And "gee, we've spent a bunch of money, we gotta add someone now."

Just sounds really weak. I could be overstating things, but I found his quotes discouraging.

I don't understand this league. All these potential candidates are schools that the Big 12 has been vetting since 2010. And now we have to take all this extra time to research and vet them some more? Big 12 being Big 12.
 
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I don't understand this league. All these potential candidates are schools that the Big 12 has been vetting since 2010. And now we have to take all this extra time to research and vet them some more? Big 12 being Big 12.
They've all been vetted. With the way this is all being played out in the public eye, I'm becoming more and more convinced that this is all a bluff to squeeze more money out of the TV partners, while remaining at 10. If there was any program out there that could add legitimate value to the conference, they'd have been added already.
 
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Anybody a paid member for Orangebloods? Story on their pay site that negotiations may be "collapsing".
 
Anybody a paid member for Orangebloods? Story on their pay site that negotiations may be "collapsing".

Before we get to the football discussion, let's begin things with a little conversation about conference realignment. In talking with sources this week, it might be time to get your popcorn ready, but perhaps not for the reasons everyone might have anticipated coming out of Big 12 Media Days when expansion talk was white hot.

1. Don't be shocked if Big 12 commish Bob Bowlsby finds himself on the hot seat in the coming months because the entire thing has turned into a huge mess when you consider the television networks are threatening litigation, the schools inside the conference all have their own agendas/favorites and the politics surrounding all of it has created a tricky terrain full of landmines.

2. One of the landmines is definitely the relationships between TV partners and I was told this week that ESPN is as far away from being a willing partner to the attempted money grab as it can be. In no uncertain terms, I've been told that not only has ESPN notified the conference that there are zero combination of additions that are attractive from the perspective of the network, but it is willing to take this to court if that is what is needed.

3. There is absolutely no consensus when it comes to potential new schools and multiple sources mentioned this week that there's not a school that's being considered that has the eight votes needed. For instance, for all of the discussion about adding Houston, I'm told there is a block of non-Texas Big 12 members that view the addition of the Cougars as an absolute non-starter. "It ain't happening," one Big 12 source said on Wednesday.

4. One high-level Texas source told me on Thursday that he doesn't believe there will be any expansion at all when the dust clears.

5. Out of curiosity, I asked the same source which conference the Longhorns would end up in if the Big 12 dies at the end of the current Grant of Rights agreement and the source said the Big 10 because of the academic profiles that many of the schools bring to the table, although the source also mentioned that Texas would likely have a chance to join in of the other four power conferences if it wanted to.

5. I mentioned my own personal Pac-12 preference and was told that it is a league that has some internal conflict at the moment, as the Pac-12 Network hasn't been a roaring success and schools like Arizona and Colorado are being described as unhappy with the current state of things.

6. Finally, if the Big 12 does collapse in the coming years, I was told we'll likely know about it before the current GOR expires. "I don't think it will take that long," one high-level source told me.
 

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