***Official 2026 World Cup Thread***

I’m getting lost with all the ways this has gone. And different people.

Long story short the US lost not due to athletes playing football or basketball but due to a lack of skills and techniques learned from a young age in Europe and elseware.

If we didn’t gatekeep that kind of training behind a very high paywall in many cases we could catch up to Europe with the athletes we already have.

Providing those athletes with that level of resources from an early age would level the playing field greatly.

By default almost all pro athletes are obv great athletes it’s kinda implied. What I was doing a piss poor job of saying is that unlike football and basketball that take those to the absolute extreme to be allowed to compete you can still be an incurable football player without some of those skills relative to their peers. You can be a little slower and still have a place in soccer, yes on defense. You can still have less endurance and have a role. You can have less agility etc and still find a place and obv the sport isn’t size or height dependent as football and basketball are.

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Except you are discounting how the academies screen in Europe and South America. I have been in Brazil and watched the screening process of young athletes at sporting clubs. There is in fact selection for sport based on speed, size, and every other measurable.

What you are saying is illogical. If the best athletes are given the same training aren't they inherently more
Likely to be a better footballer.


Come on. This "hard work beats talent" fantasy is that talented folks don't train hard. Your logic is flawed and your experience is weak.
 
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Except you are discounting how the academies screen in Europe and South America. I have been in Brazil and watched the screening process of young athletes at sporting clubs. There is in fact selection for sport based on speed, size, and every other measurable.

What you are saying is illogical. If the best athletes are given the same training aren't they inherently more
Likely to be a better footballer.


Come on. This "hard work beats talent" fantasy is that talented folks don't train hard. Your logic is flawed and your experience is weak.
Their programs spend money to make their National team and players everywhere better. Ours spends money to make more money hoping if you just throw enough money ey at something I will somehow work. They have a plan and goal, we really dont.
 
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Except you are discounting how the academies screen in Europe and South America. I have been in Brazil and watched the screening process of young athletes at sporting clubs. There is in fact selection for sport based on speed, size, and every other measurable.

What you are saying is illogical. If the best athletes are given the same training aren't they inherently more
Likely to be a better footballer.


Come on. This "hard work beats talent" fantasy is that talented folks don't train hard. Your logic is flawed and your experience is weak.
No I get that’s how those kids are chosen. Our US players are chosen the same way.

Again I don’t believe that being good at soccer is somehow programmed into your genetics and if you don’t have the soccer gene you can’t be great.

Maybe you’re right. I can’t prove my point and it can’t be disproven either. Only example I can use would be for F1 and that doesn’t fully count.
 
No I get that’s how those kids are chosen. Our US players are chosen the same way.

Again I don’t believe that being good at soccer is somehow programmed into your genetics and if you don’t have the soccer gene you can’t be great.

Maybe you’re right. I can’t prove my point and it can’t be disproven either. Only example I can use would be for F1 and that doesn’t fully count.
Our talent pool should be way larger than it is. We will always have other sports bigger but this is a country of 350 million people. Club soccer at the youth level is way more exclusive than most want to admit.
 
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No I get that’s how those kids are chosen. Our US players are chosen the same way.

Again I don’t believe that being good at soccer is somehow programmed into your genetics and if you don’t have the soccer gene you can’t be great.

Maybe you’re right. I can’t prove my point and it can’t be disproven either. Only example I can use would be for F1 and that doesn’t fully count.
Nor being a swimmer, basketball player, baseball player is genetically hard wired. Each of them lends themselves to certain types of athletes with varied gifts. There is certainly some bleed over of various sports but those with the most physical gifts and the best access to training certainly outperform those that are genetically inferior with same
Access to training
 
Nor being a swimmer, basketball player, baseball player is genetically hard wired. Each of them lends themselves to certain types of athletes with varied gifts. There is certainly some bleed over of various sports but those with the most physical gifts and the best access to training certainly outperform those that are genetically inferior with same
Access to training
Just like any natural ability. Music, art, math, etc...
 
I didn’t know you were a world class coach but I’ll fully respect the fact that you’re damn good at your job.

Were those kids teens or older? Did those kids have perfect nutrition, recovery access, access to the other plethora of coaches where this was their only activity?

I could have had this in my best physical days and my top speed, jumping height, etc. would not improve much at all.

Improved motion yes, but some things you either have or you don't.
 
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I'd just like to point out, and probably someone already has in this thread since I looked at it last, but if you look at two major American sports today, many of the best players in those leagues aren't even American.

NBA- Lots of elite Euro talent
MLB- Latin, Japanese players
NHL- Canadian, European, Russian

The NFL is really the only league that doesn't have any sort of outside influence.
Soccer in the US as a whole isn't even as popular as High School football.
 
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Surprised at amount of people rooting against Argentina. If we aren't in it I want the teams with generational stars going as far as possible.

I am actually rooting for England now...I've got like 15% English blood or something in me. :D

Bellingham and Kane...what a combination those guys are.
 
Mostly how it started. I was saying how having the athletes wasn’t an issue it’s about the skill and technique gap and that gap is due to the difference from them having that kind of training in proper development from a very young age.

That turned into a different arguement on the value of the training and how people were talking about club vs school and the fact that the level of training for soccer in the US has historically been behind a huge paywall and that’s a massive problem.

From there I made the leap to saying that if you gave this average kid access to that level of training from a young age they could make the USMNT.

Long circle that is the epitome of the dead season for sports
I might have been the one to start here and then you jumped 10 steps and said you don’t need to be an athlete to be elite at soccer, you can be taught all that stuff.

I don’t disagree that there are big skill and training gaps between us and Europe, or even with the idiocy of the U.S’ youth soccer (and youth sports in general) development programs.

My point is that those gaps exist because there isn’t the demand from our athletic kids to pursue soccer at anywhere near the same rate as in Europe. They choose other sports instead. If the demand was there, we’d be one of the best programs in the world.

If Messi was born in America, he’d be trying to be a slot receiver not a right winger. That’s the primary difference between us and Europe in soccer
 
I'd just like to point out, and probably someone already has in this thread since I looked at it last, but if you look at two major American sports today, many of the best players in those leagues aren't even American.

NBA- Lots of elite Euro talent
MLB- Latin, Japanese players
NHL- Canadian, European, Russian

The NFL is really the only league that doesn't have any sort of outside influence.
Soccer in the US as a whole isn't even as popular as High School football.
I agree on baseball and hockey, but NBA talent is still mostly American. Yes there are some really good ones that aren’t, but 75%+ are American guys. There is like 7 or 8 guys maybe that would be considered stars, the rest are role players.
 
Overall we lost because we just arent at the skill of the European teams and other top teams. And our backline and goalkeeping is atrocious. For years that was the one thing keeping us in games. Would having a larger talent pool of athletes improve us? I mean obviously but its not like we werent on the same page as Belgium athletically. They Just know how to play better than we do. This is a product of a our development system which is all about clubs making money(which caters to wealthier people) as opposed to making USA soccer better. The focus is different in other countries. Our development programs have to be more inclusive but hey this is a capitalist country. We spend enough money we just dont have a good plan.

Nobody wants to say it, but Jurgen Klinsmann was right (for all of his faults) - our development system is holding us back from being true contenders on the world stage. And nobody - from all of the YMCA programs at the bottom all the way up to USSF at the top (I am pretty sure I spelled the acronym wrong) and everything in between has no motivation to change it because there is so much money to be made by keeping the status quo. It's kind of like Texas athletics - sure, they want to win NCAA championships, and they do compete for them, but so much money can be made from that racket that nobody wants to rock that cradle.

If USA truly wants to compete for the World Cup, it's going to be painful. People are going to have to give up on milking soccer in the US for every dollar they can get out of it and truly start investing in it, with the knowledge that it will probably take decades before there's a ROI - in fact, they'd be investing not for themselves, but for the next generation. But the odds of that happening are pretty much nil because humans by nature are greedy and that would take far too many people being benevolent for something like that to ever work here.
 
For all the grief some players get about flopping to get a call, whenever I see someone jump for a header, get undercut and land on their ass or side, I want to lay down and whimper for them. I'd just tell the ground crew to start digging the grave around my body and bury me on the pitch.
 
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Nobody wants to say it, but Jurgen Klinsmann was right (for all of his faults) - our development system is holding us back from being true contenders on the world stage. And nobody - from all of the YMCA programs at the bottom all the way up to USSF at the top (I am pretty sure I spelled the acronym wrong) and everything in between has no motivation to change it because there is so much money to be made by keeping the status quo. It's kind of like Texas athletics - sure, they want to win NCAA championships, and they do compete for them, but so much money can be made from that racket that nobody wants to rock that cradle.

If USA truly wants to compete for the World Cup, it's going to be painful. People are going to have to give up on milking soccer in the US for every dollar they can get out of it and truly start investing in it, with the knowledge that it will probably take decades before there's a ROI - in fact, they'd be investing not for themselves, but for the next generation. But the odds of that happening are pretty much nil because humans by nature are greedy and that would take far too many people being benevolent for something like that to ever work here.
It's way way cheaper to just throw a bag at all the great dual-nationals and be competitive that way. If Morocco, Curacao, France(!) etc can do it, surely we can outbid anyone in our way
 
I agree on baseball and hockey, but NBA talent is still mostly American. Yes there are some really good ones that aren’t, but 75%+ are American guys. There is like 7 or 8 guys maybe that would be considered stars, the rest are role players.
And how much do even average professional basketball players make compared to a typical soccer player in the premiere league? There's definitely no financial incentive for top basketball athletes to play soccer.
 
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Surprised at amount of people rooting against Argentina. If we aren't in it I want the teams with generational stars going as far as possible.
Messi is great, but I hate rooting for favorites when I don't have a rooting interest. Spain? France? Argentina? Might as well root for the Yankees.

Give me the Swiss, Morocco, and whoever wins England/Norway.

Hell, maybe even Belgium, although I have some real resentment about the Third Partition of Luxembourg, those Walloonian bastages
 
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Messi is great, but I hate rooting for favorites when I don't have a rooting interest. Spain? France? Argentina? Might as well root for the Yankees.

Give me the Swiss, Morocco, and whoever wins England/Norway.

Hell, maybe even Belgium, although I have some real resentment about the Third Partition of Luxembourg, those Walloonian bastages

I'm on the Norway train baby
 

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