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2017-18 they went to the NFC title game. That happened to be the 1 year they played around league average on the line. Every other year they are at least bottom 1/3-1/4 of the league.
Now the Titans are one of the worst lines in the league as well. But they have an offense that gets the ball out really quick, are #2 in the league in time of possession and their Tannehill was #5 in the league getting the ball out of his hands... Kirk was #19. Have to develop a quick passing game with a bad oline
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Only way you're getting a top 3-5 QB is through draft, you aren't buying one. This year doesn't look like the year to pursue that.
Cousins outperformed a variety of playoff teams' QBs this season. Frequently, the other side of the ball wasn't playoff caliber when needed. Cousins may be overpaid, but he isn't the one losing the games, and the dropoff after him is massive. Again, it's fine to take that path -- but you're not winning more games than now for a couple years after, if that path is chosen.
The home game this year against Detroit... Cousins had about 30 seconds and 75 yards in front of him. He got it done that day.
2017-18 they went to the NFC title game. That happened to be the 1 year they played around league average on the line. Every other year they are at least bottom 1/3-1/4 of the league.
Now the Titans are one of the worst lines in the league as well. But they have an offense that gets the ball out really quick, are #2 in the league in time of possession and their Tannehill was #5 in the league getting the ball out of his hands... Kirk was #19. Have to develop a quick passing game with a bad oline
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Been saying this for years, the line is their most limiting factor on offense. ISU has the same problem -- their offensive growth is limited by line play. ISU gets around it schematically, MIN tries to brute-force plays they struggle to run instead.
So he is not a top 3-5 QB. No one is arguing he is, nor is he paid that way. I'm ready to move on, but prior to this year the OL was the worst in the league. Now this year the OL is respectable, but you have a bottom 3 defense being paid like a top 10 defense. And as Psyclone22 just posted - he in fact was very good in the 4th Q and OT. Hell, PFF had Jefferson as the only Vikings player rated higher than Cousins.
He isn't good enough to will a team with a bad OL and bottom 3 defense to the playoffs. This is true. But Russel Wilson couldn't do it either. So maybe Mahomes, Rodgers and Brady can do it?
The Cardinals game would be on this list if Greg Joseph didn’t miss a chip shot. There are many more as well.
2017-18 they went to the NFC title game. That happened to be the 1 year they played around league average on the line. Every other year they are at least bottom 1/3-1/4 of the league.
Now the Titans are one of the worst lines in the league as well. But they have an offense that gets the ball out really quick, are #2 in the league in time of possession and their Tannehill was #5 in the league getting the ball out of his hands... Kirk was #19. Have to develop a quick passing game with a bad oline
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So you're the one campaigning for Cousins to be traded, yet share a link of him being labeled a "very good" QB and then share another tweet saying how bad of an OL he's had in his entire tenure with the team?
Anyone who thinks Cousins was the problem this year is an absolute moron. The defense was horrendous, especially when it counted the most.
Zim wanted to run against a loaded box. A smart offense get's the ball to Jefferson on a screen. Effectively betting Jefferson 1 on 1 versus a corner or safety gets more yards than Cook into the 2 gap against 7-8 in the box
On top of that, the offense around Cousins was schematically poor. There's no reason to have a bottom-tier running game with Cook and Mattison heading it up, then paired with Cousins passing threat needing respected. The coaching level failed us there.
Cousin's needs to be traded because of his cap hit. If he would structure his contract like Tom Brady. I wouldn't call for a trade. He's an above average QB on a top 5 contract. Those two things can't work
Technically, he's on a top 8 contract, but the point prob. remains the same. The problem is if you rank all the best QBs, there are quite a few good ones still on rookie contracts. So most cases if you have a veteran QB there's a good chance there are going to be a few good QBs getting paid less. Guys like Burrow, Murray, Jackson and Herbert are on their first deals.
Overpay and live in nfl purgatory or give someone else a chance? Is there any difference in the NFL to winning 3 games versus 8? Dump him and redo the thing. Perhaps the new staff and front office can salvage the oline and defense, but with the amount of money going toward a qb who has never won anything of significance, you are hamstrung.
CBS had a good story about the Cousins situation. If MIN can’t or doesn’t want to trade him, he will almost certainly be extended and his cap hit reduced.
$25.2M would rank Cousins 12th on the cap hit list for 2022 (before other teams restructure).
$25.2M would rank Cousins 12th on the cap hit list for 2022 (before other teams restructure).
Cutting him does nothing for cap space, so you can only hope to trade him, which requires someone else to take on the contract you want out of. Given this info, it's likely that the best way to move on from him is to let him play next season, then don't re-sign him (barring a miraculous trade offer). You aren't likely to win more games by downgrading at QB, so we're again at the blow it up stage.
From there, you still need to wildly revamp your defense, both with people and scheme. This is where I would actually cheap out -- clearly throwing more money at the problem didn't help the first time, they can't possibly be much worse than they currently are. This is an offensive league, that's where the main resources need to be put into...which includes QB. But, I'd you're drafting that, youll have time to wade through a rookie contract down the road.
They'd get at least what the Eagles got for Carson Wentz. A third rounder and a second rounder (which became a first rounder). If Cousins gets traded, his cap hit is less than $7M more than Wentz's cap hit, so its not like its that outrageous.
The lack of any high profile QBs in the draft also increases Cousins' value.
Really don’t think people understand the Cousins contract, any trade would come with an extension which would lower the cap hit; the CBS link I posted above shows it’s easy to get him to the #12 cap number in 2022 with an extension to 2026.
so many Cousins contract takes are grounded in the headline reactions to his first deal with Minnesota
