Not a great clip for Fred...

I'm not sure what he has done in the NBA so far that would make anyone think he will direct any sort of resurgence. He may very well do it, but all evidence points to him not being able to.

How can you tell by such a small sample size tho? One in which wasn't as set up to win as many thought.
 
I think it might be time for a refresher on what statement is on the record. Things are getting twisted as Fred publicly proclaiming his hatred of recruiting:

"Not that I hated recruiting," Hoiberg said, "but as an NBA coach, it's just coaching. I love going to practices and coaching the games and that's what you get to do as an NBA coach."

Fred maybe said that in public but I can tell you for fact that he hated recruiting. He openly discussed this with boosters on a couple different occasions. It was pretty common knowledge inside the AD and one of the main reasons most that worked in the AD knew he wasn't going to stay at ISU long.

A friend that works in the AD told me during Fred's second year that due to recruiting and a couple other factors Fred will be at ISU 5 years max. I called BS but low and behold he was spot on.
 
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The Bulls fans who aren't already on board the Fred hate train will hop on now that the media tide has turned. Surely the Bulls wouldn't fire him after only two years, would they?


Just one guy's opinion, but I think he only goes if Reinsdorf cleans house and fires Paxson and Forman, too. Those three are tied at the hip. As long as they're safe, he's safe.
 
I tend to think they will fire him after this season except I have no knowledge about his buyout. There just seems to be no support for him from fans or players.
 
Just one guy's opinion, but I think he only goes if Reinsdorf cleans house and fires Paxson and Forman, too. Those three are tied at the hip. As long as they're safe, he's safe.

I tend to agree with you. Just can't see them handing over a 15-million buyout.
 
I tend to agree with you. Just can't see them handing over a 15-million buyout.


There were rumors last year that the contract wasn't fully guaranteed. Not sure why everyone assumes it is.
 
Fred let the inmates run the asylum at ISU, and he's doing the same at Chicago. No surprise here at all. He was not a good hire at all for the Bulls.
 
There were rumors last year that the contract wasn't fully guaranteed. Not sure why everyone assumes it is.
Why shouldn't we assume what was publicly stated. Maybe it isn't but why should we believe internet rumors over what was stated when he was hired.
 
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Why shouldn't we assume what was publicly stated. Maybe it isn't but why should we believe internet rumors over what was stated when he was hired.


I wasn't aware that it was stated that the contract was fully guaranteed.
 
I tend to agree with you. Just can't see them handing over a 15-million buyout.

Or publicly admitting they were wrong about him. GarPax is in a tough spot because they sold him as a guy who could get the Bulls to the next level. If they fire him they're admitting they missed in a big way. The problem then is I don't know what their best option is. Trade Jimmy Butler and commit to a total rebuild? Keep Butler and build around him? He's 27 now and it's fair to wonder if right now is as good as he'll ever be. I don't know. If I were Reinsdorf I think I'd blow it all up and fire the front office and Hoiberg and try to rebuild around Butler, but I'd be willing to listen to offers.
 
The Chicago Bulls suck. The Chicago Bull's ownership and management suck. The City Of Chicago sucks.

Keep your 25 million. I'll take 2 million a year in the sanity of Ames every day over the insanity of America's worst city Chiraq.
 
Or publicly admitting they were wrong about him. GarPax is in a tough spot because they sold him as a guy who could get the Bulls to the next level. If they fire him they're admitting they missed in a big way. The problem then is I don't know what their best option is. Trade Jimmy Butler and commit to a total rebuild? Keep Butler and build around him? He's 27 now and it's fair to wonder if right now is as good as he'll ever be. I don't know. If I were Reinsdorf I think I'd blow it all up and fire the front office and Hoiberg and try to rebuild around Butler, but I'd be willing to listen to offers.

What do you get for Butler? Try to see if Boston will move one of the Brooklyn picks and some rotation pieces for him? The Nuggets and Suns have some interesting pieces but not sure either of them are trying to move up their timeline at this point. McCollum for Butler straight up? Who says no on that one?
 
He lives in Burr ridge which is one of the nicest suburbs in the country and I'd guess the average home price there is easily 750k.
See, that makes sense. You could get me to pick Chicago over Ames in a scenario where I was making Fred-level salary. The money could probably help me get over the daily hassle of traffic, pressure to succeed etc. Probably not a happy existence all the time, but would still be fine.
 
What do you get for Butler? Try to see if Boston will move one of the Brooklyn picks and some rotation pieces for him? The Nuggets and Suns have some interesting pieces but not sure either of them are trying to move up their timeline at this point. McCollum for Butler straight up? Who says no on that one?

Maybe dial up Thibs and see how bad he wants Butler?
 
One of the issues in my opinion is that we put our dreams of Iowa State and Fred in the equation. Fred has earned the right to follow his dreams, not my dreams. I wish it hadn't ended the way it did with all of that down time in the spring, but in reality that is my problem, not Fred's.