Nope.

[mcblogerson]

go ahead and give up on the program, b/c of a mediocre season
I've seen worse and better, and I'm the same age, but it won't change my love of the clones
some people are emotional and jump ship or change their mind frequently, I call them women

 

[Wesley]

1. It looks like guard play remains our downfall.

2. No excuses for crap free throw shooting although our guards are rarely fouled and it is our inside people who take the throws. We make really poor effort to get the missed throws when we shoot them.

4. The rebounding is static - we wait till the ball bounces off the rim and watch the other team get the ball and do not follow our own shots. The guards really do not want to rebound and we need them to especially since the fast break left with the non conference season.

5. We set picks like old women.

6. We are too nice of a team. Emotion does not show except for CB and Gilstrap.

7. We do not utilize timeouts very well. We must not execute the grand plan out of timeouts.

8. To win, we must hit at least four shots in a row. Next question is when did we do that last?

8. We cannot punch our way out of a paperbag after halftime. We must be waiting for someone else to lead the way.

9. We played good in our fist two Big 12 games, then we started sleepwalking. After Lucca, JVB, and Booze were out, we sort of went downhill. Unexplainable unless the outside shooting threat vaporized.

 

[CTAClone]

What took you so long? I gave up weeks ago. Horrible philosophy on how to play the game. I'll put that on the coach. That being said I'll concentrate on wrestling and women's basketball the rest of the season. If Mac is half the man everyone says he is he needs to take a buyout that won't kill the program and leave. If he doesn't, JP needs to hire a good assistant with good basketball IQ and let him run the team. Mac can sit at the end of the bench, draw his paycheck, and be stripped of all coaching responsibilities. Tell you what JP, give me that job for 50k a year and I guarantee better basketball then what Macs putting on the floor. By the way, I'm a wrestler through and through and I can see the horrible coaching being done. I'd hate to think what someone with a basketball background is thinking.

Mac has a great bball IQ. Basically you are asking us to take a chance on a assistant coach that has a great bball IQ when we have a proven Head Coach (at non-bcs schools) that has a great bball IQ. I'd much rather stick with what we got than go that route. I can pretty much guarantee that we'd be off much worse with you at the helm.

Some of these posts just get sillier and sillier. :no:

 

[Tre4ISU]

1. I'd be taking a big pay cut.
2. You continue watching losing basketball as long as you'd like.
3. :dull::sad::skeptical::biglaugh:

I find it funny you felt the need to mention that. Good for you.

 

[snowcraig2.0]

go ahead and give up on the program, b/c of a mediocre season <br>
I've seen worse and better, and I'm the same age, but it won't change my love of the clones<br>
some people are emotional and jump ship or change their mind frequently, I call them women

Yeah, everyone is jumping ship so quickly. I mean, we have only been sucking for what, 4 years? People need to be more patient.

 

[Wesley]

With Wayne Moore totally discombubulated defense we at least looked like we were busting our butts to make something happen. Our press was broken all the time with lob passes over the top.

Now we look like we are sitting back and letting the action come to us instead of forcing the action. Our guards only press in the last three minutes of the game when we are down 15. The opposing coaches are romping and stomping as we smile and look complacent.

Similar result. Similar fan reaction in the end.

 

[cyclones500]

Johnny didn't have a winning season until his 3rd season and he ended 16-13.

Not to negate the overall point of your post (which has merit) - but just a clarification -- the 16-13 year was Orr's fourth season. I think they went 9-18, 10-17, 13-15 and 16-13 (the NIT season) in his first four years.
That minor detail actually strengthens your point, I think.

 

[anticyclonic]

I am done with Iowa State basketball.

Some background on me:
I am in my mid 30's and I have been going to games since the early 1980's with my dad. Back then my dad contributed to the Cyclone Club and we had two tickets in the corner of the upper deck. Gradually over time, his contributions increased and eventually plateaued to Captains level with seats in the parquet. Currently my dad and I split the cost of his tickets and Cyclone Club contributions.

This is why I am done:
I am at a point in my life where my time is just as valuable (if not more so) than money. I have 3 kids, ages 9, 7, and 4. I am no longer willing to waste my "free" time on watching, what I consider, underachieving and poorly coached basketball. I would much rather spend that time on my family and/or any number of other activities that I enjoy which do not make me angry or depressed when I am done with them. This doesn't take into account the financial investment which I am no longer willing to make.

What could bring me back:
With the current direction of the program, I see no reason to believe that things will change this year, or next. Honestly, I feel the only way this could change is if McD is let go and we some how land a coach that can take us in a new direction. I need optimism in the program to be willing to invest in it again.

Trust me, all of this makes me sad. I grew up a cyclone basketball fan, am an alumnus, and I want my kids to be fans as well. I really like McD, I just don't think he is the right fit for us. Before you rip my post apart, keep in mind this is just how I feel and I am not asking anyone else to follow in my footsteps, I just wanted to get my feelings off my chest.

Anyone else feel the way I do?

Brian Johnson
Class of 1997

It seems like a long time ago when the last game that ISU played in the NCAA was against that killer N Carolina team in 05' . Jared Homan was on the team.

I don't blame you for your frustration. The coaching move in 2006 was a bad one. ISU went from consistently good/mediocre to mediocre/bad.

Still, if you can root for the players, they do work hard.

 

[ISU4ME]

I am done with Iowa State basketball.

Some background on me:
I am in my mid 30's and I have been going to games since the early 1980's with my dad. Back then my dad contributed to the Cyclone Club and we had two tickets in the corner of the upper deck. Gradually over time, his contributions increased and eventually plateaued to Captains level with seats in the parquet. Currently my dad and I split the cost of his tickets and Cyclone Club contributions.

This is why I am done:
I am at a point in my life where my time is just as valuable (if not more so) than money. I have 3 kids, ages 9, 7, and 4. I am no longer willing to waste my "free" time on watching, what I consider, underachieving and poorly coached basketball. I would much rather spend that time on my family and/or any number of other activities that I enjoy which do not make me angry or depressed when I am done with them. This doesn't take into account the financial investment which I am no longer willing to make.

What could bring me back:
With the current direction of the program, I see no reason to believe that things will change this year, or next. Honestly, I feel the only way this could change is if McD is let go and we some how land a coach that can take us in a new direction. I need optimism in the program to be willing to invest in it again.

Trust me, all of this makes me sad. I grew up a cyclone basketball fan, am an alumnus, and I want my kids to be fans as well. I really like McD, I just don't think he is the right fit for us. Before you rip my post apart, keep in mind this is just how I feel and I am not asking anyone else to follow in my footsteps, I just wanted to get my feelings off my chest.

Anyone else feel the way I do?

Brian Johnson
Class of 1997

Great life lesson for your kids. The going gets tough just quit.

 

[Al_4_State]

If you are "done" with ISU basketball, as the OP said, how could you be considered a fan at all, good or bad?

You Greg lovers are missing his point.

The OP isn't going to cheer for another team, he's not renouncing Iowa State, he's just not going to put money and time towards the men's basketball program until something changes. That's not quitting your fanhood. That's just making a rational decision. ISU basketball doesn't provide any enjoyment, unless you're a huge masochist, and he's putting that time and money back into his family. We should loudly chastise that. :no:

Great life lesson for your kids. The going gets tough just quit.

Yeah, because putting family ahead of ****** basketball is such a bad set of values.

 

[MNCyGuy]

Yeah, because putting family ahead of ****** basketball is such a bad set of values.

To be fair, if his kids were getting so deprived of his time and attention because of basketball before why would it have made any difference how good the team was?

 

[Al_4_State]

To be fair, if his kids were getting so deprived of his time and attention because of basketball before why would it have made any difference how good the team was?

My guess is that they weren't, but my point was that I really don't think he's setting a bad example.

 

[MNCyGuy]

My guess is that they weren't, but my point was that I really don't think he's setting a bad example.

Fair enough, but the whole "bad ISU basketball is taking time away from my family" bit is a little over the top. I'm no apologist, I don't think I've gone a whole game with changing the channel for a few minutes in disgust at some point, but this martyrdom some people attach to their frustration with Mac and the team is big load of crap.

 

[bawbie]

You Greg lovers are missing his point.

The OP isn't going to cheer for another team, he's not renouncing Iowa State, he's just not going to put money and time towards the men's basketball program until something changes. That's not quitting your fanhood. That's just making a rational decision. ISU basketball doesn't provide any enjoyment, unless you're a huge masochist, and he's putting that time and money back into his family. We should loudly chastise that. :no:

I am done with Iowa State basketball.

Al, you must have a different definition of "done" than I do. "done" is quitting your "fanhood" in my book.

 

[Wahoo]

As someone who used to work with OP, Brian Johnson is a class act, loyal Clone to the end and family guy. I would imagine he has more time and money invested in this program than 90% of the posters being critical of him. Makes me wonder how 'intelligent' people can't respect his situation without immediately posting something negative.

 

[tejasclone]

As someone who used to work with OP, Brian Johnson is a class act, loyal Clone to the end and family guy. I would imagine he has more time and money invested in this program than 90% of the posters being critical of him. Makes me wonder how 'intelligent' people can't respect his situation without immediately posting something negative.

You are assuming that because the people posting here are Cyclone fans, they must be reasonable and intelligent. But being reasonable and intelligent is not a prerequisite for venting one's rage on the internet.

 

[MNCyGuy]

As someone who used to work with OP, Brian Johnson is a class act, loyal Clone to the end and family guy. I would imagine he has more time and money invested in this program than 90% of the posters being critical of him. Makes me wonder how 'intelligent' people can't respect his situation without immediately posting something negative.

I'm sure he is. I am just tired of people treating their frustration over basketball like it's some life-changing epiphany. You got frustrated and decided it wasn't worth your time and money. That is not special.

 

[Wingback]

You never, ever walk away from your team. I'm a Nebraska fan who had to put up with four miserable Bill Callahan football years. Yes, it was disappointing. Yes, it was frustrating. Yes, I couldn't stand Bill Callahan (I felt that way from the day they hired him). But I never gave up on the team (meaning the program and its players).

At least Greg McDermott has class and dignity. That is a whole lot more than we had with Callahan, who couldn't coach and had absolutely no class. Is McD the coach who will lead ISU back to NCAA tournaments? I don't know. But I do know that he has had a ton of misfortune (well outside of his control) this season.

Step back, take a deep breath, and ride this thing out. There is basketball tradition at Iowa State and I don't suspect the Cyclones will be down for long.

 

[dbronco7sc]

As someone who used to work with OP, Brian Johnson is a class act, loyal Clone to the end and family guy. I would imagine he has more time and money invested in this program than 90% of the posters being critical of him. Makes me wonder how 'intelligent' people can't respect his situation without immediately posting something negative.

As I posted earlier... I have no problem with being frustrated with the program and choosing to put your time and money else where. The big issue I take, and I assume most others here... is the wording used that makes it clearly sound like family being more important than bad basketball... but not good basketball. If you try to use the importance of your family as justification for quitting watching a "bad" basketball team. Then you have to expect people are going to question why the importance of your family doesn't trump good basketball as well.

I can understand his point and reasoning... I just think he poorly constructed that argument.

I can summarize the OP in the following, "I am done spending time and money on Men's basketball until we let McD go and land a coach who can win more games."

The only assumption from my above post is that "new direction" = "can win more games" as it would be a silly post if the new direction desired is to win fewer games. And a new direction would not be the same number of games.

The rest of the post is fluff to sway people to agree with his argument. And I have no problem with people using the same arguements to negate the point.

Just my opinion though.

 

[aauummm]

I'm sure he is. I am just tired of people treating their frustration over basketball like it's some life-changing epiphany. You got frustrated and decided it wasn't worth your time and money. That is not special.

I agree. If it's about time and money, then it's a personal decision. People make those types of decisions every day. It's not special to come on here and make a big announcement about it and I don't think it's a decision that you would go on a message board and write about and then ask for everyone's opinion.

If time and money are more important then that's it-no "ifs" "ands" or "buts" about it and it obviously doesn't matter what others think about it because it's a personal decision.

I had to make decisions after my son was born. I decided to back off of the ISU activities because the family time and money factors were more important to me. I knew that I had just 18 years to be involved in my son's raising and I wanted the maximum amount of time to do that. I didn't make any big announcements, I just did it and I'm glad that I did. My son is way more important to me than ISU is. Now that he is grown, he and I can share ISU activities together and when we can arrange it it's very special.