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Steve said:
Cyclones_R_GR8 said:
The Vikings signed a 6'9" 351lb OT from Poland that was playing in a European league.

http://www.vikings.com/news/feature...-Lineman/8630df66-7c1d-4346-8c7d-34f588bd99ed
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You have to give him a chance just based on the name that some have tagged him with - The Polish Protector. He has to be about as raw as any NFL signee in history, but the measurable are there. 9'2" broad jump, 28 reps at 220 lbs, and 5.3 40 time.
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I watched some of his clips. There were some nice pancake blocks in there. Of course at that size there better be.
 
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Day late but couple of funny april fools pictures from NFL Meme's


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Mr Janny said:
??? I don't know that I've ever run into someone who was anti-horsecollar penalty. What's your opposition?
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Im getting pretty fed up wit all the rules and penalties on the defense too. At some point you would think enough is enough because a defender never will be able to make a tackle in the next two years if this keeps up.
 
chadly82 said:
Im getting pretty fed up wit all the rules and penalties on the defense too. At some point you would think enough is enough because a defender never will be able to make a tackle in the next two years if this keeps up.
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And that's where this argument fails, for me. Nobody can make it without delving into hyperbole. The eventuality is always "maybe next they'll eliminate tackling altogether," or "next they'll be playing flag football," in these arguments. It's silly.

Yes, football is changing. It's always changing. From the moment they switched away from leather helmets, to the year they made tackles using the face mask a penalty, to any other number of rule changes that have been made over the years. And football is still here, and there's still tackling. None of that is going away. Will adaptation be required? Of course. Just like adaptation was required when they started penalizingthe Deacon Jones style head slap. And if the product is drastically affected in a negative way, the league will change again. But it will still be football.
 
Mr Janny said:
And that's where this argument fails, for me. Nobody can make it without delving into hyperbole. The eventuality is always "maybe next they'll eliminate tackling altogether," or "next they'll be playing flag football," in these arguments. It's silly.

Yes, football is changing. It's always changing. From the moment they switched away from leather helmets, to the year they made tackles using the face mask a penalty, to any other number of rule changes that have been made over the years. And football is still here, and there's still tackling. None of that is going away. Will adaptation be required? Of course. Just like adaptation was required when they started penalizingthe Deacon Jones style head slap. And if the product is drastically affected in a negative way, the league will change again. But it will still be football.
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So you don't think it's ridiculous that the game has gotten to the point where when a ball carrier is going out of bounds and the pinkie finger of a defender is laid on him as they hit the sidelines that the entire bench erupts looking for a flag for a late hit out of bounds? Or that if a QB's helmet is grazed ever so slightly as he's releasing the ball that the second the ball comes out of his hand he's throwing his arms up looking at the refs expecting a 15-yard flag? Hyperbole? Sure. But that's what the game has become and it's pretty stupid.
 
Gonzo said:
So you don't think it's ridiculous that the game has gotten to the point where when a ball carrier is going out of bounds and the pinkie finger of a defender is laid on him as they hit the sidelines that the entire bench erupts looking for a flag for a late hit out of bounds? Or that if a QB's helmet is grazed ever so slightly as he's releasing the ball that the second the ball comes out of his hand he's throwing his arms up looking at the refs expecting a 15-yard flag? Hyperbole? Sure. But that's what the game has become and it's pretty stupid.
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and yet you watch.
 
Seriously, if the game is so silly and unwatchable, somebody should tell all of those people who keep watching.

But let's talk penalties. In 2004, teams were averaging about 6.1 penalties per game. 5 years ago it was about 6.2 penalties per game. This year, it was 6.9. So, for your average game you're looking at an additional 1 or sometimes 2 additional penalties per game. Totally unwatchable, right?
 
Gonzo said:
I never said it was unwatchable.

And you never answered the question.
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answered your question full of what you admitted was hyperbole? No I didn't.


Well, I guess I actually did, in my next post, where I listed actual penalty statistics that show that the dramatic increase in penalties that you were hyperbolizing about, is largely a matter of false perception.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2014/penalties.htm
 
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Mr Janny said:
Seriously, if the game is so silly and unwatchable, somebody should tell all of those people who keep watching.

But let's talk penalties. In 2004, teams were averaging about 6.1 penalties per game. 5 years ago it was about 6.2 penalties per game. This year, it was 6.9. So, for your average game you're looking at an additional 1 or sometimes 2 additional penalties per game. Totally unwatchable, right?
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In 2004 there was an average of 15.1 unnecessary roughness penalties called per week league wide. Five years later there was an average of 20.7 unnecessary roughness penalties called per week league wide. Last year there was an average of 28.1 unnecessary roughness penalties called per week league wide.
 
Gonzo said:
In 2004 there was an average of 15.1 unnecessary roughness penalties called per week league wide. Five years later there was an average of 20.7 unnecessary roughness penalties called per week league wide. Last year there was an average of 28.1 unnecessary roughness penalties called per week league wide.
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And in 2005 there were 100 false start penalties called per week compared to 70 last year. So what? Rule changes cause an ebb and flow in the types of penalties called. Nobody's denying that. But their effect on the game stays relatively the same, evidenced by relatively stable number of penalties and penalty yardage.
 
Mr Janny said:
And in 2005 there were 100 false start penalties called per week compared to 70 last year. So what? Rule changes cause an ebb and flow in the types of penalties called. Nobody's denying that. But their effect on the game stays relatively the same, evidenced by relatively stable number of penalties and penalty yardage.
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I was never talking about false start penalties. I was talking about defenses having their hands tied because if they breathe on a QB or a "defenseless" WR the wrong way, or can't pull up in time on a guy going out of bounds, they get called for it. More hyperbole. That's what I think is ridiculous. The dramatic uptick in unnecessary roughness penalties over the past decade bears that out.
 
Rules change based on medicine revealing more info on the game.
 
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