NCAA- Supreme Court ruling

[CascadeClone]

The salary cap in the NFL is part of the CBA which is negotiated. The NCAA doesn't negotiate. They just set the compensation at a relatively low, fixed rate.

I'm not sure how this will all work out over the next few years, but I really think the only possible solution is a CBA for all student athletes. You can address Title9, non-rev sports inequities, tv money, NIL, etc etc. And it will all be legal. NCAA will be just like any other sports league - which it is anyway.

Alternately, P5 CFB and MBB will split off from the NCAA, become their own leagues with their own CBAs, and the other non-revs will remain bascially as they are within a hollowed out NCAA.

 

[VeloClone]

Players aren't forced to go to college. That's especially inaccurate relative to basketball where HS players have had the ability to directly go to the GLeague for several years with no limitations on endorsement money, NIL monetization, etc.

You may have somewhat of an argument for football but there are no restrictions on forming an alternative league to CFB for players out of HS.

The NFL isn't the only football league. It is a long shot but you can try out for the CFL right out of high school. There are open tryouts for AFL/AFL2 teams as well. However what high school kids are going to find out is that it is incredibly hard - even for guys who were 4 or 5 year subs on Div1 rosters - to make a squad.

 

[Clark]

I would assume Title IX would get in the way, unless they wanted to take money from another mens sport (or just make it part of the football budget) to make that payment.

Personally, from a university standpoint, nothing should change from them. To me, all NIL should be is allowing the student athlete being able to make money off of their name. If a local business wants to pay that student money to be in an advertisement, the student athlete is free to accept that money without the university getting in the way. If a student athlete wants to create a YouTube channel and monetize it about their life as a student athlete, they should be able to.

I am probably not aware of other legal things, but I feel that people are making this harder than it actually is. All that should happen is student athletes should be allowed to accept money from sources freely, whereas in the past they weren't because they could get their school sanctioned by the NCAA. All the NCAA needs to do is just eliminate their rule preventing these student athletes accepting money from third parties.

First of all, I think you're misunderstanding me. I believe kids should be paid extra for things like jersey sales, having your name and or face on school posters or advertisements. If schools think that a scholarship is going to continue to cover that they've got another thing coming.

Second of all, I don't think Title 9 will play much of a factor in NIL as it's different than schools paying their players to play.

 

[Mr Janny]

First of all, I think you're misunderstanding me. I believe kids should be paid extra for things like jersey sales, having your name and or face on school posters or advertisements. If schools think that a scholarship is going to continue to cover that they've got another thing coming.

Second of all, I don't think Title 9 will play much of a factor in NIL as it's different than schools paying their players to play.

It depends on the interpretation of Title IX I suppose. Title IX is about equity, not necessarily equality.

You could argue that since a WBB player has the same opportunity to earn money from NIL as a football player does, that Title IX is satisfied. The actual dollar amount doesn't necessarily matter so long they are both held to the same standard.

Similarly, if it ever comes to schools directly paying players, I wonder if they might get some flexibility by tying the pay to a percentage of their sport's revenue. Every player, regardless of sport, gets the same percentage, but there's a floor if the sport doesn't make much/any money.

 

[CNECloneFan]

Would there be legal challenges for compensation if a coach picks one player over another to be the starter? Or if the coach benches a starter? Or if a coach changes the offensive coordinator's play-calling duties?

All of these will affect a student athlete's earning potential.

 

[Mr Janny]

Would there be legal challenges for compensation if a coach picks one player over another to be the starter? Or if the coach benches a starter? Or if a coach changes the offensive coordinator's play-calling duties?

All of these will affect a student athlete's earning potential.

Like when Drew Bledsoe sued the Patriots when they benched him for Tom Brady, right?

Come on, man. If you're going to make a bad faith argument, at least get creative. Don't bring that weak ass stuff.

 

[CNECloneFan]

Like when Drew Bledsoe sued the Patriots when they benched him for Tom Brady, right?

Come on, man. If you're going to make a bad faith argument, at least get creative. Don't bring that weak ass stuff.

But professional sports are private sector. College athletics receive State and Federal funding. And if you think those funds don't come with an ass full of regulations, requirements, and legalities you are fooling yourself.

 

[Mr Janny]

But professional sports are private sector. College athletics receive State and Federal funding. And if you think those funds don't come with an ass full of regulations, requirements, and legalities you are fooling yourself.

Why would money made from NIL rights come from public funds? Wouldn't they come from the individual businesses that enter into agreements with the players? What special state/federal regulations would apply to those?

 

[MartyFine]

 

[BryceC]

Of course it's Runza! Hahahahahah

 

[Mr Janny]

Of course it's Runza! Hahahahahah

I can't imagine Runza can offer much beyond a few bucks and maybe a bout of diarrhea.

 

[CNECloneFan]

I can't imagine Runza can offer much beyond a few bucks and maybe a bout of diarrhea.

Runza IS one of the more appropriately-named foods...

 

[CNECloneFan]

Why would money made from NIL rights come from public funds? Wouldn't they come from the individual businesses that enter into agreements with the players? What special state/federal regulations would apply to those?

State employee (coach) reduces or increases a player's ability to earn wages via NIL. There are all sorts of precedence with private industry vs. academic consultants vs. state agencies.

But more to the point. Student athletes are receiving benefits, i.e., compensation, from state and federal sources. Now they are going to capitalize on that to earn outside income (NIL). There WILL be legal implications in all sorts of directions.

 

[Mr Janny]

State employee (coach) reduces or increases a player's ability to earn wages via NIL. There are all sorts of precedence with private industry vs. academic consultants vs. state agencies.

But more to the point. Student athletes are receiving benefits, i.e., compensation, from state and federal sources. Now they are going to capitalize on that to earn outside income (NIL). There WILL be legal implications in all sorts of directions.

Why will it be different than non-athlete students on scholarship who have always been able to capitalize on their NIL rights?

 

[Mr Janny]

Why will it be different than non-athlete students on scholarship who have always been able to capitalize on their NIL rights?

Additionally, if an active Iowa State wrestler competes in the Olympics this summer, he'll get paid for it. If he wins a medal, it's a very good chunk of change. That doesn't run afoul of NCAA rules. It has happened several times and nobody loses their scholarship because of it.

 

[CNECloneFan]

Why will it be different than non-athlete students on scholarship who have always been able to capitalize on their NIL rights?

When is the last time you saw some science nerd repping the local car dealership?

Let's say I am a local advertising agency. I start losing my business to student athletes. Student athletes who's star power is created by, funded by, and promoted by a state agency that receives Federal funding.

it will be a litigator's paradise.

 

[CNECloneFan]

Let's say I am a pizza joint. I am doing well. But, the star QB (who's star power is created by, funded by, and promoted by a state agency that receives Federal funding) decides to rep my competitor.

 

[Mr Janny]

When is the last time you saw some science nerd repping the local car dealership?

Let's say I am a local advertising agency. I start losing my business to student athletes. Student athletes who's star power is created by, funded by, and promoted by a state agency that receives Federal funding.

it will be a litigator's paradise.

Wait, so in this scenario, the athletes performs the same function as an ad agency?
I don't think that's how it works. The athlete isn't creating the advertisement. They're participating in it. Why would they get sued? They're just an employee of whoever is creating the advertisement, likely another ad agency.

 

[Mr Janny]

Let's say I am a pizza joint. I am doing well. But, the star QB (who's star power is created by, funded by, and promoted by a state agency that receives Federal funding) decides to rep my competitor.

And? Josh Hawley is a federal employee. His status and notoriety comes in large part from being a US congressman. He had a book published by a company called Regnery. Why didn't another publisher sue for him not choosing them?

 

[Cyched]

Wait, so in this scenario, the athletes performs the same function as an ad agency?
I don't think that's how it works. The athlete isn't creating the advertisement. They're participating in it. Why would they get sued? They're just an employee of whoever is creating the advertisement, likely another ad agency.

I don't think the concerns are completely unfounded, but this is a good point. If you're the ad agency, the smart thing to do is hire the athlete.