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BS. Both of you (along with others) have missed the point that these would not be typical additional employees for ISU and other universities. These employees would be generating millions in revenue streams outside of academics/research.
No one is missing the point. Nothing is changing.
 
Just simply making them employees doesn't change their tax exempt status. What is your authority for this position?

So they are no longer "student" athlete's? As "employee's", are they no longer required to go to class? Will they still receive benefits in the form of a full ride scholarship as an "employee" or is it now a "contract"? Because they are no longer "students" but "employee's" why just allow them 4 years of eligibility? Why can't they play as long as they want i.e. NBA, or at a minimum, as long as the contract allows?

Those are all rhetorical, just throwing them out, and there are a plethora of other questions that can be applied to this issue. You can sluff off any of them by saying..."who are you to ask these questions" when the simple answer is to you would be......"who do I have to be"? Just because someone asks a question even of a scenario that might never happen doesn't make them a simpleton anymore than those who hide behind a degree or license and say "don't question me".
 
So they are no longer "student" athlete's? As "employee's", are they no longer required to go to class? Will they still receive benefits in the form of a full ride scholarship as an "employee" or is it now a "contract"? Because they are no longer "students" but "employee's" why just allow them 4 years of eligibility? Why can't they play as long as they want i.e. NBA, or at a minimum, as long as the contract allows?

Those are all rhetorical, just throwing them out, and there are a plethora of other questions that can be applied to this issue. You can sluff off any of them by saying..."who are you to ask these questions" when the simple answer is to you would be......"who do I have to be"? Just because someone asks a question even of a scenario that might never happen doesn't make them a simpleton anymore than those who hide behind a degree or license and say "don't question me".
When I was at Iowa State as a student, I worked for a professor in a lab and was payed by the university. Other students work for the dining halls, for the department of residence, for rec services, for facilities, etc. Students are employed by the university all over campus. They can still be students, we just need to recognize that "athlete" is a job that these students have. The scholarship athletes at Iowa State can be employees of the Athletics Department, just like I was an employee of my engineering department.

And just like with most other jobs, universities will be allowed to set terms of employment for their athletes. Things like: athletes for Iowa State must be enrolled as full time students and maintain good academic standing, they must represent the university as outlined by Student Code of Conduct, they will be limited to a maximum of 4/5 years of eligibility as a student athlete, etc.
 
The thing I'm most fascinated with is how any money can come directly from the school without Title IX implicaitons. How are they going to balance that? I don't see Title IX going anywhere. It could be catasphrophic for non-revenue men's sports like track, wrestling, etc. Will the NCAA change how many varsity sports you need to be considered D1?

The NIL thing is different because the money will be coming from third parties. I do not see any feasilbe way for the schools to directly pay the athletes.
 
The thing I'm most fascinated with is how any money can come directly from the school without Title IX implicaitons. How are they going to balance that? I don't see Title IX going anywhere. It could be catasphrophic for non-revenue men's sports like track, wrestling, etc. Will the NCAA change how many varsity sports you need to be considered D1?

The NIL thing is different because the money will be coming from third parties. I do not see any feasilbe way for the schools to directly pay the athletes.

I've been wondering this myself

For instance, if a schools says something like players as a group are entitled to 40% of revenue generated by that sport, doesn't that pay the football players more while still meeting title 9 requirements?
 
I've been wondering this myself

For instance, if a schools says something like players as a group are entitled to 40% of revenue generated by that sport, doesn't that pay the football players more while still meeting title 9 requirements?
I don't know if they will be able to work it out like that. Especially with things like conference payouts, and media rights deals. Those aren't on a per-sport basis as far as I know, so those would probably be distributed evenly among the athletes. You might be able to do proportional shares of ticket/gate revenue, but not all revenue.
 
University of Iowa has decided to hire an outside company to help their athletes prepare for the new name/image/likeness environment.


 
So they are no longer "student" athlete's? As "employee's", are they no longer required to go to class? Will they still receive benefits in the form of a full ride scholarship as an "employee" or is it now a "contract"? Because they are no longer "students" but "employee's" why just allow them 4 years of eligibility? Why can't they play as long as they want i.e. NBA, or at a minimum, as long as the contract allows?

They'll still be student athletes. Unless the schools break away from the NCAA, they would have to stay in good academic standing, and they would have to be on a standard 5 to play 4 academic plan that we've always had. There has not been any proposals to change that. Technically there is no reason why they couldn't change that without NIL changes. That is something they always could have done but the NCAA and it's member institutions have never proposed changing the eligibility requirements as far as I can remember.

I haven't heard any discussion about whether the name of their scholarship should be changed to a contract.

I don't think your questions have anything to do with NIL rules.
 
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baseball you can go pro right away or go to college. Make all sports like this and then colleges can say, this is what we offer to play for us, a free education with many benefits, then the players arent being forced into college to make the pros.
 
I hope he realizes that his "trademark" is almost the same as a game developer company Guerrilla.

Good point. If he doesn't realize it, he'll find out soon enough.

I tried to load the Guerilla logo for reference, system isn't allowing it --- website link to see logo

 
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baseball you can go pro right away or go to college. Make all sports like this and then colleges can say, this is what we offer to play for us, a free education with many benefits, then the players arent being forced into college to make the pros.
Players aren't forced to go to college. That's especially inaccurate relative to basketball where HS players have had the ability to directly go to the GLeague for several years with no limitations on endorsement money, NIL monetization, etc.

You may have somewhat of an argument for football but there are no restrictions on forming an alternative league to CFB for players out of HS.
 
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baseball you can go pro right away or go to college. Make all sports like this and then colleges can say, this is what we offer to play for us, a free education with many benefits, then the players arent being forced into college to make the pros.

Nobody seems to care about the Olympic model where athletes can take endorsements. I actually think they should do something like that.
 
Players aren't forced to go to college. That's especially inaccurate relative to basketball where HS players have had the ability to directly go to the GLeague for several years with no limitations on endorsement money, NIL monetization, etc.

You may have somewhat of an argument for football but there are no restrictions on forming an alternative league to CFB for players out of HS.
Agree. Basketball with the G league basically handles the one year issue. Football with the 3 years from HS is the difficult one. Which to me, begs the question of why not sue the NFL to eliminate that rule. It’s not colleges keeping athletes out, it’s the pro ranks.

This could really become a negative for the track and field, gymnastics and golf type athletes. They may take a hit in the long run.
 
Nobody seems to care about the Olympic model where athletes can take endorsements. I actually think they should do something like that.
That is pretty close to what NIL is hoping to address. But there will still be issues with individual athletes on team sports. If a QB has an Under Armor deal, how does that effect him playing at a Nike school?
 
That is pretty close to what NIL is hoping to address. But there will still be issues with individual athletes on team sports. If a QB has an Under Armor deal, how does that effect him playing at a Nike school?

Yeah that's tough. I don't know. I assume there are a lot smarter people than I am to work that out.
 
Nobody seems to care about the Olympic model where athletes can take endorsements. I actually think they should do something like that.
That would probably be the easiest, but that would probably break up the D1 football and basketball into the major teams. A Toledo or so would probably struggle to have enough endorsements for “pass out” to attractive better athletes.